I need help to Id mortar

[Sturm78]

Thank you, Draoich

Regards Sturm78

[ZloveGro]

10 cm Nb.W. 35

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this interesting image on EBay. I think it is a 82mm PM37 soviet mortar on a 120mm PM38 trailer.

Sturm78

[Draoich]

Hi all,
I also think that the mortar shown on the trailer in Sturm78's last post is an 82mm BM-37. I think that the trailer itself is the model meant for the 107mm KhM-38 Soviet mortar. This trailer type is identifiable by having no centre strut.
Regards,
Draoich

[Sturm78]

Draoich wrote
I think that the trailer itself is the model meant for the 107mm KhM-38 Soviet mortar. This trailer type is identifiable by having no centre strut.

Ummhhh..... I think it would have to view two images together of both trailers to be differentiated.

On the other hand, Is this a standard German 8cm Gr.Wfr.34 or other model of mortar?

Image from EBay
Sturm78

[Draoich]

Hi All,
I think that the mortar shown in Sturm78's most recent post is a Brandt type 81mm or 82mm mortar, beyond that it is difficult to say.
In relation to the identification of the trailer shown in the previous photo, I attach 2 photos taken from Russian sources.
One (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... M38_02.JPG) shows the model 38 trailer for the PM-38 120mm Mortar and the other (http://photo.qip.ru/users/pakuro/3890055/92872061) shows the model 38 trailer for KhM-38 107mm Mortar. The trailer for the 107mm mortar has several distinct differences. These include the absence of the longitudinal central strut found on the trailer for the 120mm mortar and a different tow-bar hitch end.
Regards,
Draoich

[Sturm78]

Hi Draoich,

Uummhhh..... I am confused.
Almost all the wartime pictures I've seen of these Russian mortars in transport position show the type of trailer of your second image(which you associate to the 107mm mortar).
However, 120mm mortar was much more common so I am inclined to think that the trailer of your second photo belongs rather to the 120mm mortar.

See http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... r#p1832844

On the other hand, I need help to identify these two other mortars:


Images from EBay
Sturm78

[Draoich]

Hi Sturm78,
I think the first mortar shown in your last post is a 50mm Soviet model but I am not certain. The second one is a Brandt 81mm mortar. I have attached a drawing from a Soviet text (Source: popgun.ru) showing the details of the Trailer for the KhM-38 Mortar.
Regards,
Draoich

[Draoich]

Hi All,
I have now attached a better resolution of the drawing from a Soviet text (Source: popgun.ru) showing the details of the Trailer for the KhM-38 Mortar.
Regards,
Draoich

[Sturm78]

Thanks, Draoich.

Do you have a similar drawing for the 120mm PM-38 trailer?
I am a bit confused.

On the other hand I found this image on EBay.
I think a 10cm Nebelwerfer 35 but I am not 100% sure

Sturm78

[Draoich]

Hi Sturm78,
I agree that this very nice action photo shows the 10cm NbW35. The mortar has the characteristic arrangement for the traverse mechanism which is arranged in the opposite way to that of the 8cm GrW34.
I have the Soviet manual for the PM-38 120mm mortar (120-mm Mortar arr. 1938 Manual,Management Services, Military Publishing House, Ministry of Defence of the USSR, Moscow 1957) and this shows the 1938 model trailer for the PM-38 as follows:

Regards,
Draoich

[Sturm78]

Thank you, again, Draoich.

Regards Sturm78

[ain92]

Hello all.
The text in the left bottom corner of the first drawing posted by Draoich says: "The drawing has been made by N. Kuleshov conforming the mortar exhibited at the Central Museum of the GPW in Moscow" (the same mortar that is showed on the last photo by Draoich).
Here I post some original drawings from the manuals, including the full version of double page showing the 120 mm mortar trailer M1938 (has anybody ever seen any photos of these simplified trailers on the second and third drawings?). If anybody wants more quality versions of the same schemes, I can upload better ones. Some other small pictures you can find on this page (in Russian, V-20 spring-loaded trailer is a post-war model).
PS
I want to say something concerning the 50-mm mortars theme, but have no time now to formulate it and translate to English. Maybe later…

[Draoich]

Hi All,
With regard to the last posting by ain92, the second mortar trailer shown is common enough and is known as the Model 702 and was introduced in 1943. I attach a photo of this mortar trailer for the 120mm PM-38 mortar.

This is sourced from militaryphotos.net. I have only seen drawings but not seen any photos of the other mortar trailer, which is known as the Model 106, and I understand that this was also introduced in 1943. I have seen something similar as shown in the Belgrade museum of the People's Army but this may be a 120mm Resita mortar.
Regards,
Draoich

[ain92]

Hi All,
With regard to the last posting by ain92, the second mortar trailer shown is common enough and is known as the Model 702 and was introduced in 1943. I attach a photo of this mortar trailer for the 120mm PM-38 mortar.

SOVIET PM-38 120mm MORTAR - PHOTO 16.jpg

This is sourced from militaryphotos.net. I have only seen drawings but not seen any photos of the other mortar trailer, which is known as the Model 106, and I understand that this was also introduced in 1943. I have seen something similar as shown in the Belgrade museum of the People's Army but this may be a 120mm Resita mortar.
Regards,
Draoich

Thank you for the photo very much.
Sorry for off-topic, but actually 106 and 702 are not the model numbers but the numbers of plants that producted these. The Plant No. 106 in the People's Commissariat of Arms (NKV) was placed in Khabarovsk (now Daldiesel). What about the 702nd Plant, in 1941—1942 this number in the People's Commisariate of Mortar Arms (NKMV) had the Red October plant in Rostov-na-Donu, and in 1942 this number was given to a plant im. Voroshilova in Tashkent. Before its demolition in 2011 it was known as Taşselmaş, now only a lonely 82-mm mortar (BM-37, isn't it?) on the place of destroyed memorial reminds about it.

This photo of was made during the Korean War (you can see an M1943), but what about WW2 photos of it?

The next photo I've found on Wikimedia Commons too, and it features some postwar trailer similar to the one of 107-mm mortar, the wheels are similar to UralZIS-355 ones.
PS
I've never seen any trailers of Aruncătorul Reșița, calibrul 120 mm.