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Post by der bunkermann » 23 Jun 2009, 22:01

hi guys, i have a question about this object...
it's not really a fortification or artillerie item, but could it be a mine, smokebomb or something like that?
the picture was made during the neue westwall peroid when the dutch beaches were still accessable.
gr, tim
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Re: unknown object

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Jun 2009, 10:26

Hello Tim

I realy don't know , first I thought it was a small depth charge but it's must to small .

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Post by Bo2 » 24 Jun 2009, 16:17

Bonjour
perhaps rest of flammenwerfer 42 ?
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Post by g_steer1 » 24 Jun 2009, 16:40

It looks far too small to be part of a flammenwerfer 42...

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Post by TommySoelbergDK » 31 Mar 2010, 16:42

May I point out, that the 2 German soldiers AND 2 brittish Bobbies, are on the same beach!!!
Would that not mean The Channel Islands? Guernsey or Jersey.
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Post by Zünder » 31 Mar 2010, 19:00

TommySoelbergDK wrote:May I point out, that the 2 German soldiers AND 2 brittish Bobbies, are on the same beach!!!
Would that not mean The Channel Islands? Guernsey or Jersey.
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That's the pier at Schevingen (Netherlands), demolished by the germans during WW2 and rebuilt in the 1950's (but tim should know more about that ;-) ).
I think several german regiments wore the "bobby" style helmet, among them KNIL, but undoubtedly there are dutch uniformscollectors who can tell more.


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Re: unknown object

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Post by der bunkermann » 31 Mar 2010, 22:17

hi guys, the ''bobby's'' are in fact dutch policemen.
at that time in holland, the regional policecorpses used different uniforms and headgear.
the ones on the pictures are from the den haag police.
indeed the pier was destroid 26 march 1943, but it was most likely an accident
there was alot of hay (hooi) for german horses stationed on the pier, and most likely that catched fire.

the ''common'' given reason that is was a landingplace for enemy boats don't make sense, because the water is only 2 meters deep, and it would be very hard to climb on the high pier...
if the allies would manage to climb up, it would be easy to stop them bij shooting at the pier.
and if is was destoiyd because it was a recognissionpoint they should have also demolished the massive ''kurhaus''!

but these are just my thougts, it would be nice to see some german evidence that is was an accident or not 8-)
maybe a KTB, or the lageberichten from the ortskommandant can give an answer..

gr, tim

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Re: unknown object

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Post by JTG » 01 Apr 2010, 09:22

TommySoelbergDK wrote:May I point out, that the 2 German soldiers AND 2 brittish Bobbies, are on the same beach!!!
Would that not mean The Channel Islands? Guernsey or Jersey.
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Two small problems: Our policemen have never carried swords on duty, and there's no pier like that in the islands!

<grin>

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Post by TommySoelbergDK » 03 Apr 2010, 12:21

Maybe it was on a sunday, and they wanted to show off?
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Post by peeved » 03 Apr 2010, 12:30

Isn't that the Dutch flag flying at the pier?

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Post by AvB » 03 Apr 2010, 18:53

TommySoelbergDK wrote:Maybe it was on a sunday, and they wanted to show off?
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Didn't your read Tim's reply? These are Dutch policemen so no Bobby's..

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Post by TommySoelbergDK » 03 Apr 2010, 19:38

It was a reply to Johns answar.
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Re: unknown object

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Post by Kalinor » 04 Apr 2010, 09:26

ok this has got my interest, any chance the image could be enhanced around the area of the item in question especially the section behind what looks like the opening, i am curious to see if it is attach to the beech or if it has simply been washed up.
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Post by JTG » 04 Apr 2010, 23:05

@Kalinor - if the device were attached to the beach, I doubt there would have been much interest shown. OOpps, it has popped up - OK , deal with it.

I concur with the "smoke float" school of thought.

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