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Excellent that idea of M.39 turned to 40/39 it's probably it.
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So it had to be after the ships were commissioned.Only useful year mentioned is 1934
User dreadnought in Paluba put this zoomed photo
So it had to be after the ships were commissioned.Only useful year mentioned is 1934
"The Royal Yugoslav Seaplane Tender and Minelayer Zmaj" by Zvonimir Freivogel in Number 1, Volume 38 (No.1, 2001) of Warship International has this to say about Zmaj's original armament:jopaerya wrote:
Bad idea, actually - http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_2pounder_m2.htm . (Sorry for wishful thinking, rather than good-old-fashioned research)Dili wrote: Excellent that idea of M.39 turned to 40/39 it's probably it.
Since the year of commission is 1939, everything is possible. If I understand correctly http://oceania.pbworks.com/YUGOSLAVIAN%20NAVY , country of origion is Belgia ( ), it have four 40mm AA guns and couple of 12.7mm AAMGs (??? ). Well, Yugoslavia used 12.7mm AAMGs (Italian Breda-Safat) but, AFIK, only on Air Force planes (another acute shortage in Yugoslav armament were aircraft weapons, since there was no domestic production; so Yugoslavia had French, Belgian, British, Italian, German and Polish aircraft MGs in four calibers: .303, 7.92mm, 12.7mm & 13.2mm, plus four 20mm aircraft canons types (!) with three different kinds of ammo - HS-9, HS-404, Oerlikon, MG-FF)Dili wrote:I found another ship that might have this gun: Perun an Yugoslavian Navy Tanker but reference i have is 4 guns probably in solitary mounts. The data i have doesn't refers specifically 40/67 only 40mm so it might even be a Bofors but i doubt.
Many thanks David. With one thread we can sort a major part of Royal Yugoslav gun information. I think we have better info here than all books around.Although the Skoda 90mm/45-caliber gun M.12 was a good weapon by World War I standards, a decade later it was due to be upgraded. In the meantime, the new 83.5mm gun had been introduced in the Yugoslav Royal Navy. As lack of funds prevented the purchase of new guns, and the old existing 90mm guns were in good condition, it was decided to have Skoda rework these to 83.5mm caliber instead. These reworked guns were delivered in 1931. From that time on, at least four of the Galeb class minelayers carried the reworked 83.5mm, with the remainder mounting one or two guns in their original form. This helps to explain the statements in various naval yearbooks of the thirties listing 90mm guns as late as 1941, even after the better informed editors of Weyer's had published correct information in 1939."
I don't think it is a bad idea, it is the only explaination for the author say that Beograd Class has 40/39 since photo evidence shows a Bofors, and Italians say it was Bofors not Vickers. It can not be a 40/39 gun. It is probably a naming mistake.Bad idea, actually - http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_2pounder_m2.htm . (Sorry for wishful thinking, rather than good-old-fashioned research)
That is my opinion as well. Dili's photo appears to be of an original 90mm gun. Apparently the 83.5mm conversion required the addition of a sleeve or collar to the barrel. This and a slight increase in barrel length would appear to be identifying features for the converted guns.jopaerya wrote:Thanks David
For this interesting information about the 90 mm and 83.5 mm guns , if I am correct the first photo from Dili
is a 90 mm gun and it looks that the 83.5 cm was custom made because the "normal" 83.5 cm Vz 22/24 don't
have the lump in the middle of the barrel ??
Regards Jos