Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by jopaerya » 21 May 2011, 10:21

All Thanks for your information

Here a list I have posted before from the book Small Arms , Artillery and Special Weapons
as you can see more 7.62/8.8 cm Flak M 31(r) were rebored then the 7.62/8.8 cm Flak 38 (r) .
Also in this book that the guns were rebored in Northern Italy .

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Sturm78 » 16 Jun 2011, 12:50

Hi all,

An 76.2mm M1938 Russian AA gun on a german Siebel ferry

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Rui » 26 Jul 2011, 23:15

Hi

Does anyone knows about the foreign-made AA guns in Russia use, maybe later captured by Germany?

In Chamberlain & Gander: Anti-Aircraft Guns. (Arco, 1975), they mentions the following:

Original ...................... => Russian designation .. => German designation ..... Origin
9 cm kanon PL vz. 12/20 .. => ????????????? .............. => 9 cm Flak M.12(r) ......... [Czechoslovakia]
40 mm Gun M1 .............. => Model 1939 ............. => 4 cm Flak 28 (Bofors) ?? .. USA [Lend-Lease]
Vickers 75 mm Model 31 ... => ????????????? .............. => ????? .......................... [captured Lithuanian]

Were they rebored to use the Russian calibres: 85 mm, 37 mm and 76.2 mm respectively?

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Sturm78 » 26 Sep 2011, 23:16

Hi all,

A Soviet AA gun in german service. 76.2mm M1938 or 85mm M1939

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Manuferey » 06 Oct 2011, 04:04

Manuferey wrote:Jos,
It seems logical from a technical standpoint that the muzzle brake of a rebored 7.62/8.8 cm Flak M.38(r) would be mounted in the same way (i.e. with an additional sleeve) as on the 8.8 cm Flak M.31(r). This should help differentiate it from the M.39(r). :idea:
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I think I have finally identified a 7,62/8,8 cm Flak M.38(r) as the gun inspected by US soldiers on the following picture. :D Look at the muzzle brake: it is indeed of the same type as the muzzle brake of the 7,62/8,8 cm Flak M.31(r) with the additional sleeve. As we have noticed, this sleeve is absent on the muzzle brake of the 85 mm M.39.

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This picture was actually posted on this same thread by @ndrew on 27 Dec 2010 at 09:46 (but not identified specifically) 8-) !

In the same way as many Germans WW2 documents actually mentioned 8,8 cm Flak M31(r) instead of 7,62/8,8 cm Flak M.31(r) when referencing the 88 mm version proper, I'm wondering if the Germans also used the designation 8,8 cm Flak M.38(r) instead of 7,62/8,8 cm Flak M.38(r) for the 88 mm version. :?

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Post by jopaerya » 06 Oct 2011, 10:28

Thanks for reposting this picture Emmanuel

We are learing every day , also with this typical rebored gun .

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Post by Sturm78 » 22 Oct 2011, 09:42

Hi all,

An image from Ebay: 76.2mm M1931 and female personnel

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Post by Manuferey » 04 Dec 2011, 17:49

I think I have found another picture (from ebay.com) of a captured 8,8 cm Flak M38(r): we can recognize the added collar of the muzzle brake and a tube on the side identical to a tube on the previous picture. This tube does not appear on the 8,8 cm Flak M31(r) as far as I can see. Interestingly, this gun was also camouflaged by haystacks. Also note the letter (“B” or “D”) on the destroyed recoil mechanism on top.

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Post by Umberto Gorena » 04 Dec 2011, 21:25

Hi to everybody

Very nice set of photos, particularly the first one, where the crews ( i think ) are of R.A.D., evidently they d'nt
work only with pick and showel.

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Post by jopaerya » 04 Dec 2011, 22:26

Looks you are right Emmmanuel

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Post by peeved » 07 Dec 2011, 00:57

7,62 cm Flak M 31 (r) from my MCFA.

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Post by Sturm78 » 07 Dec 2011, 11:24

Hi all,

A Sibel ferry with captured 76.2mm M1938 Russian AA guns:

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PS.: Markus, Can you upload your last image without the insert?
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Post by peeved » 07 Dec 2011, 11:45

OK Sturm.
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Post by Sturm78 » 07 Dec 2011, 12:03

Thank you very much, Markus. :D

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Post by Sturm78 » 02 Jan 2012, 19:12

Hi all,

76.2mm M1931 with muzzle break or an 85mm barrel on a M1931 carriage ?? :?

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