Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Manuferey » 16 Nov 2012, 03:56

Here is a picture of a 8,8 cm Flak M39(r) (see the cut-out triangle on the right side that indicates a 85 mm M39 origin and the Zunderstellmaschine on the left for the 8,8 cm shells).

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Caption: “Typical GI Sign-Post on German Flak Gun - Bonn, Germany - March 1945”
http://wwii-letters-to-wilma.blogspot.c ... -1945.html

What is very interesting is the cruciform mount which is not the original mount but one of the types of Behelfslafetten like the one on the picture below (originally posted by Sam B on July 2012 in this thread: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4&start=30)

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by jopaerya » 28 Nov 2012, 18:39

Hello All

Looking at the Zunderstelle and the oilpot on top , I think this is a rebored 8.8 cm Russian flak .

Photo = Ebay

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Manuferey » 30 Nov 2012, 02:05

Jos,

We can see a blown-up piece of the muzzle brake on the left red square below. Based on the part of the platform and arm visible in the right red square, I think it is a former 85 mm M39. So, since rebored as you mentioned, it is a 8,8 cm M39(r).

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Post by jopaerya » 30 Nov 2012, 17:05

Oke Emmanuel

I was fooled by the missing muzzle brake , thanks for your awnser 8-)

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Post by jopaerya » 01 Dec 2012, 19:23

Here a other rebored 8.8 cm one from Vienna , the Russian troops inspect this gun .

Photo = Ebay

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by DaSk » 01 Dec 2012, 22:28

Hello!

Here You are some drawings of russian AA guns.

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85 mm AA Gun mod. 1939
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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Sturm78 » 28 Jan 2013, 21:34

Hi all,

A small image from Ebay:

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Post by Sturm78 » 26 Feb 2013, 12:51

Hi all,

Another image from Ebay of a 85mm-8.8cm Flak M39r. Note Ubertragungsgerät 37 device

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85mm 8.8cm Flak M39r captured Soviet AA gun in german service with Ubertragungsgerät 37 device and Flakhelper crew.jpg

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Post by Sturm78 » 19 Aug 2013, 17:57

Hi all,

Another image from EBay. I am not sure if 76.2mm M1938 or 85mm M1939 gun:

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Post by jopaerya » 20 Oct 2013, 12:09

You can see the start of attached muzzle brake on this re-bored gun , post war picture is Ebay .

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Manuferey » 21 Oct 2013, 03:40

I think it is a 8,8 cm Flak M38(r). The A-shaped gun holder and the folded grid indicate that it was originally a 85 mm M39 or a 76,2 mm M38, both on a two-axle trailer. And the attachment of the muzzle, different than on the 85 mm gun, looks the same as on the picture of the 8,8 cm Flak 38(r) below. (see my post of October 5, 2011).

Also note the letter "F" on the barrel of Jos' picture which indicates that the gun was part of a battery that had at least 6 guns.

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Post by Sturm78 » 05 Nov 2013, 00:21

Hi all,

An 85mm M1939 in German use in Norway:

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Sturm78 » 08 Dec 2013, 13:28

Hi all,

76.2mm M1938 or 85mm M1939 gun

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by Manuferey » 26 Feb 2014, 04:20

Here are two pictures from an 8 mm color film (courtesy of John King) of an ex-Russian AA gun in France in 1944 (source: http://1-22infantry.org/commanders/goforthpers.htm )

The person on the pictures is George Goforth, an officer in the 22nd Infantry (4th ID). He landed on Utah Beach on June 6, fought in the Cherbourg peninsula and was wounded on July 9. He then spent 3 months hospitalized in England before returning to his unit. At that time (end of September-early October 1944), the 22nd Infantry had reached the Siegfried Line, thus, was no longer in France.
This tells me that the film had to be taken in Normandy.

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On this second picture, we can see the Zünderstellmaschine 37. This indicates that the original Russian AA gun was modified to a 8,8 cm caliber. The beginning of a muzzle brake may also be visible on the first picture. However, from these two pictures I cannot tell if it is an 8,8 cm Flak M.31(r), M.38(r) or M.39(r).

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Re: Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

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Post by jopaerya » 26 Feb 2014, 18:27

Great picture's Emmanuel , just a remark the tree's are very empty for Juni/July ??

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