12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by ain92 » 24 Nov 2013, 17:51

YC Chen wrote:I have a question: Did all 122mm M-1938 used by Russia in WW2 have riveted legs, or some of them had welded legs?
http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?tit ... роспективе says:
Приблизительно с 1945 г. клепаные станины заменили сварными, причем этот факт даже не находит полноценного описания в руководстве службы издания 1948 г. Наличие новой конструкции станин упоминается лишь мельком в свете иного расположения правил по сравнению с их клепаным вариантом. Во всяком случае, выставленная в нижегородском мемориале на пл. Жукова гаубица М-30 с заводским номером 15616, выпущенная не раньше 1944-го и не позже 1945 г., имеет сварные станины.
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Around the 1945 riveted trails were replaced with welded, and this fact wasn't even fully descripted in manual published in 1948. Existance of the new construction of carriage sidepieces is mentioned only briefly in connection with different placement of the traversing handspike compared to the revited version. Anyway, the M-30 howitzer No. 15616 exhibited at the memorial on the Zhukov Square in Nizhny Novgorod, that was producted in 1944 or 1945, has welded cheeks.
I think nobody can answer on your question better.
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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by YC Chen » 26 Nov 2013, 12:04

Thanks a lot!!! I admit that no one can explain it better.

Photos and some survived pieces prove that a number of 122mm howitzers sold to China in early 1950s(and became one of China's primary artillery in Korean war along with American built 105mm howitzers) have riveted trails. However the copies made in China as Type 54 have welded trails right from the start.


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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by jopaerya » 12 Mar 2014, 21:47

Hello

According to the Ebay photo caption this should guns of the 338 I.D. ( Languedoc )

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Manuferey » 13 Mar 2014, 00:31

Jos,

I have noticed the concrete platform which would indicate a static position for coastal defense but armed here by Art.-Regt 338.

I have not found yet what guns the Art.-Regt 338 had. Dr Niehorster does not mention them here:
http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germany ... v_338.html

On the other end, we know that the 338 ID was a "Kriemhilde" division like the 326 ID and Dr Niehorster's Gliederung of the 326 ID shows more details on the guns of its Art-Regt but there are no ex-Russian howitzers :? :
http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germany ... v_326.html

However, there seems to some 12,2 cm K390/1(r) in Art.-Regt 338 (the ebay picture below mentioned 338 ID in its caption). See Stum78's post:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=206460
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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 13 Mar 2014, 22:13

Emmanuel, lovely photograph, I wonder when 338 ID was in contact with Italian Alpini ?
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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by jopaerya » 13 Mar 2014, 23:01

Hello

Only have information from 1943 on the guns of the 338 Artillery Regiment.

1./338 - 4 x 10.5 cm F.H. - max range 9.2
2./338 - 4 x 10.5 cm F.H. - max range 9.
3./338 - 4 x 15 cm F.H. - max range 8.3
4./338 - 4 x 15 cm F.H. - max range 8.3
5./338 - 4 x 15 cm F.H. - max range 13.3
6./338 - 4 x 15 cm ( mot ) reserve

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Manuferey » 14 Mar 2014, 00:54

Alanmccoubrey wrote:Emmanuel, lovely photograph, I wonder when 338 ID was in contact with Italian Alpini ?
I tried to obtain more information on a French forum about the Südwall but no definite answer yet. These Italians could be Hiwis.
jopaerya wrote:Hello
Only have information from 1943 on the guns of the 338 Artillery Regiment.
1./338 - 4 x 10.5 cm F.H. - max range 9.2
2./338 - 4 x 10.5 cm F.H. - max range 9.
3./338 - 4 x 15 cm F.H. - max range 8.3
4./338 - 4 x 15 cm F.H. - max range 8.3
5./338 - 4 x 15 cm F.H. - max range 13.3
6./338 - 4 x 15 cm ( mot ) reserve
Regards Jos
Thank you very much, Jos. So, no ex-Russian guns in 1943. :?

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by schwarzermai » 14 Mar 2014, 08:31

Hello

Art.Rgt. 338

November 1942
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May 1943 - the s.F.H.18 of II./338 were replaced with s.F.H. (h)
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August 2, 1943 - 4x s.F.H.18 of III./338 were transfered to 29.Pz.Gren.Div. and replaced with 3x 12,2cm K. 390 (r)

ca. May 1944
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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Manuferey » 15 Mar 2014, 02:12

Thank you very much, uwe.

Would the sFH396(r) then belong to 5./III. in May 44?

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Post by schwarzermai » 15 Mar 2014, 14:00

Manuferey wrote:Thank you very much, uwe.

Would the sFH396(r) then belong to 5./III. in May 44?

Emmanuel

sorry Emmanuel, i dont know...Uwe
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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Sturm78 » 27 Feb 2015, 14:13

Hi all,

Some images from EBay. It is curious that the germans used horses to tow this howitzer...I guess because of the lack of other motor vehicles...

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 28 Feb 2015, 21:37

Didn't the Soviets use horses too ?
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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by jopaerya » 05 Mar 2015, 11:13

You can see the Russian limber used for horse towing on the Ebay photo .

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Swapilot » 02 Sep 2015, 23:42

Really nice pictures. Were these guns modified in anyway after they were captured and also, were they repainted?
Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader's mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we was flying any lower why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing...

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Re: 12.2cm sFH 396(r)

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 03 Sep 2015, 09:17

There are some Canadian photographs of captures 122's in Normandy and they have been repainted in the normal German three colours.
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