MG Lafetten TA, TB and TC in Schartentürmen

[Saska]

Hello All

Who knows anything about the german MG Lafetten TA, TB and TC in Schartentürmen ?

What was their difference and for what they had been used for?

Greetings Saska

[jopaerya]

Hello Saska

I never entcounter the names TA , TB or TC with M.G. Lafetten ,
can you give us some more clues ? When , were

Regards Jos

[Saska]

Hei Jos

I found information in the BAMA Freiburg about TA and TB in 3 and 6 Schartentürmen which had been changed into and TC Lafetten in the Westwall in 1945. My problem was basicly that I also havened heared anything about those Lafetten.

Now meanwhile, I also setted up this question in a other Forum and got information from Markus/Projekt Westwall who is also active here in this Forum. So the information I have reseaved so far, are based on the discovery work of Markus, so the honour and my big thanks goes just to him.

Schartenlafette Modell A (MG 34)
Used from the beginning of the Eastwall and the Westwall untile 1940
Physical characteristics: Foldable endpiece of the Lafetten-shoulderpiece, delivery of the empty cartridges into a bag.

Schartenlafette Modell B (MG 34)
Used from 1940 and also in the Atlanticwall, use in the Westwall is so far not sure or proofen.
Physical characteristics: Fixed, nonfoldable Lafetten-shoulderpiece, delivery of the empty cartridges truth a flexible pipe.

Schartenlafette Modell C (MG ????)
Used from the end of 1944
Description or physical characteristics so far not known.

So the Schartenlafette Modell C or Modell TC is our big mystery to solf, as well as the type of MG what was used in this Lafette. Another question is also, if the Modell B or Schartenlafette TB was in use in the Atlanticwall cupolas under what name is it nowadays known by the Atlanticwall guys?

So maybe someone can help to solf this mystery?

Greetings Saska

[Projekt-Westwall]

Hi Saska,

no thx for that, please... my face is turning red... :roll:

Here are the pics

Pic 1 Modell A (early Modell Ostwall, Westwall and so on)
Pic 2 and 3 Modell B (late Modell Westwall and Atlantikwall)

[jopaerya]

Hello

It maybe a long shot but could the C model be for the M.G. 42 or M.G. 81 .
there were trails ( 6 till 10 november 1944 ) in the B werk Hasenloch with the two guns .

Regards Jos

[Projekt-Westwall]

Hi Jos,

that is right, this was my thinking too- but there were no Infos to find
in the archives and field studies.

BRegards
Markus

[AvB]

Interesting info yes! Never noticed the difference really, I'm going to check all my photos
I was also thinking about the MG-42 setup, but wasn't the B-Werk the only account of where it it was tested?

[jopaerya]

Hello All

In the book Der Westwall from D. Bettinger and M.Büren on page 562 and 576 there are C laffeten

(1) page 562 ( 04-02-1945 )

(2) page 576 ( 1945 ) Pi-Park Essen

Regards Jos

[Projekt-Westwall]

Hi Jos,

I know- but there is nowhere explained, what was the C Lafette for...

In the BB is written, that there should be changed the Laffetten in all turrets to the new C Lafette, but this was
not often possible, because the bunkers where in combat and most of the Lafetten lay in the destroyed Pionier- Park Essen frozen, snowed in and rusty.

BRegards
Markus

[M19 MADMAL]

Hello All

In the book Der Westwall from D. Bettinger and M.Büren on page 562 and 576 there are C laffeten

(1) page 562 ( 04-02-1945 )

(2) page 576 ( 1945 ) Pi-Park Essen

Regards Jos

Hi Jos,

Is there a photo of the Type C lafette in said book or is it only text?

Regards,
Malcolm

[jopaerya]

Hello Malcolm

Only text , it is a pity .

Regards Jos

[TH]

Order from 1941:

Tc.jpg (62.47 KiB) Viewed 1498 times

The Lafette in the third picture posted by Markus has a proper Hülsenleitung.
I can't tell if it's the right Wiege, but could that actually be the Tc version?

[jopaerya]

Nice photo of a Lafette in the rest-mode , photo is from Ebay . Regards Jos

[AvB]

Yep you can even read the Panzerzielfernrohr number. It's Zeiss Ikon 5093.

[Eax-E]

Hi guys,

The real point about this picture the combination of an old Lafette type with cartridge collection by bag an the pipe evacuation on the turm floor.
When you are in a turret and accurately look at this evacuation it is clear that is welded to the grid floor. It is compatible with a design evolution and post fabrication addition to fit with the new TC Lafette design.

Kind regards