6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Clive Mortimore
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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 10 Aug 2011, 21:29

Grigoriy wrote:Clive,
my thanks for clarifications! So, one mystery less. :)

And to finish ex-British Beutenumbermysteries (such a english-german word :) ) — my last question on this theme. This question is: what a gun could be 12,7cm K 381(e) ? It is mentioned here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1280184, nearby 12,7cm K 382(e) which is 60 pdr Mk II. Maybe 381(e) is an elder 60-pounder? Or is it one more intelligence mistake?

I have a lot of similar questions on Beutenumbers for other countries, but it will be another topic. :)
Hi Grigoriy

I have no idea why there is two 60 pdrs listed as the MkII on Mk IV carriage was the only gun in service with the British in 1939. The MkI gun on MkII, MKII* and MkIII carriages had been withdrawn from service.

I notice on the thread you posted a link to there are two 6 inch Howitzers listed, 411(e) and 412(e). There was only ever one 6 inch 26 cwt Howitzer, the MkI on MkI carriage. The older 6 inch 30 cwt was withdrawn after WW1.
In several documents and books the 15.2 cm sFH 410(b) is listed, British 6 inch 26 cwt howitzer sold to Belguim. Also they list 15.2 cm K 410(i), ex Italian, ex Austro-Hungaian 15.2 cm K 15/16.

Another oddity is four Fremdengerat numbers allocated to the British 18 pdr, when there was only 2 marks in service by 1939. One of these was the MkIV on two carriages, carriage MkIV and carriage Mk V. So this could account for three, but what was the fourth?

Many Fremdengerat numbers are well known but there are some that do confuse me. Is it time that we tried to compile a complete list?
Clive

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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by jopaerya » 29 Sep 2014, 17:10

Any idea on this 4.5 inch Gun Mark 2 , staged picture or in use ?? (Photo = Ebay )

Regards Jos
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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 29 Sep 2014, 19:48

jopaerya wrote:Any idea on this 4.5 inch Gun Mark 2 , staged picture or in use ?? (Photo = Ebay )

Regards Jos
Hi Jos

I have seen written that the DAK used the 4.2 inch gun but have never seen a photo of either the MkI or MkII in service with the Germans. I have always thought it was the MkI as more of these were in service while Rommel was advancing than the later MkII. The photo still does not answer which mark was used but it does show that a MkII was captured.

Thanks

Clive
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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by jopaerya » 29 Sep 2014, 20:30

Thanks Clive

Does somebody know the German number of the Mark 2 gun or is this the same as the Mark 1 ?

Regards Jos

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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 30 Sep 2014, 08:53

jopaerya wrote:Any idea on this 4.5 inch Gun Mark 2 , staged picture or in use ?? (Photo = Ebay )

Regards Jos

Jos, not likely to be a "staged picture" as the British wouldn't have been using a Quad/FAT to tow that gun but the Germans would.
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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by jopaerya » 30 Sep 2014, 15:52

Thanks Alan

I did not know that 8-)

Regards Jos

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Re: 6 inch Mk XIX and other British 6-inch in Wehrmacht?

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 30 Sep 2014, 21:20

Jos, the big guns like the 4.5 or 5.5 were towed by the Matador by this time.
Alan

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