Bauform 58a
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Re: Bauform 58a
thanks SES
yes when we see at documents who are known for a long time we see clearly that the tobruk is not connected with the bunker itself many times the germans put even another color on their plans and with a small separation
Dirk
yes when we see at documents who are known for a long time we see clearly that the tobruk is not connected with the bunker itself many times the germans put even another color on their plans and with a small separation
Dirk
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Re: Bauform 58a
another identification
a normal "offener beobachter which is incorporated in the bunker itself has the tobruk in direction of the bunker this model 58c has is tobruk in the other direction which il logic Dirk
a normal "offener beobachter which is incorporated in the bunker itself has the tobruk in direction of the bunker this model 58c has is tobruk in the other direction which il logic Dirk
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Re: Bauform 58a
in one ST plan we see another type tobruk that is not described as an " Offener beobachter but as a MG Stand
i never seen this model but the plan itself is an essay for the 625 and maybe we have an early assay for a "prototype" of a 58a
we see we can stock some munition in the entrance but ist not that logic
this plan dates from the autumn of 1942 so this sticks with the dates of a 58c and the development of the offener beobachter in the serie 600
i never seen this model but the plan itself is an essay for the 625 and maybe we have an early assay for a "prototype" of a 58a
we see we can stock some munition in the entrance but ist not that logic
this plan dates from the autumn of 1942 so this sticks with the dates of a 58c and the development of the offener beobachter in the serie 600
Re: Bauform 58a
This is almost the same as the Wa.Prüf.Fest tobruk right?
Also beware: There is a difference between Wa.Prüf and W.P.Fest. For quoting the zeichnungsnr. it's best to name the whole description. (I'm sorry I am such a nitpicker )
Also beware: There is a difference between Wa.Prüf and W.P.Fest. For quoting the zeichnungsnr. it's best to name the whole description. (I'm sorry I am such a nitpicker )
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Re: Bauform 58a
ok Nectar
later i m gonna open a topic with the zeichnungnrs as found by me
It has nothing to do with WaPruf ...
what is your Wa Pruf Fest Tobruk?
do you have a plan please ?
later i m gonna open a topic with the zeichnungnrs as found by me
It has nothing to do with WaPruf ...
what is your Wa Pruf Fest Tobruk?
do you have a plan please ?
Re: Bauform 58a
Hi Dirk,
There are more disscusions going about that type. These are commonly found on the Channel Islands. For example see Wa.Prüf.Fest I 59
There are more disscusions going about that type. These are commonly found on the Channel Islands. For example see Wa.Prüf.Fest I 59
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Re: Bauform 58a
o yes i ll see
we will discuss this later
could be very intresting but now i ll be not at home a few days so this will be for after easter ok?
we will discuss this later
could be very intresting but now i ll be not at home a few days so this will be for after easter ok?
Re: Bauform 58a
histril wrote:Hello
I dont know what correct, but looking at the drawing the tobrouk could be the one listed as 315g, a 58c.
At bunkerpictures.nl there is a picture of the entrance to that tobruk.
regards
stril
ok , it's Wn.315 g or 315a (very closed to)
if , it's 315a this Tobrouk can be a MG Ringnstand 61b?
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Re: Bauform 58a
a 61a is for a 5 cm mortar
i ll think a 61b has another weapon but i suppose another type of mortar
the evolution of 58 a to 58d seems to be in the holding capacity of ammo ... an "offener beobachter ... he has no need for ammo , a 58a a small ammo niche , a 58b unknown to this moment a 58c and 58d has the saùe ammo holding capacity
you can find it all worked out in our free publications (you can get them by the site of Arthur van Beveren , the french forum (lebonfoum atlantikwall) and the site of Bart Ketels
i can send them to you of you send a private message with your e mail...
i ll think a 61b has another weapon but i suppose another type of mortar
the evolution of 58 a to 58d seems to be in the holding capacity of ammo ... an "offener beobachter ... he has no need for ammo , a 58a a small ammo niche , a 58b unknown to this moment a 58c and 58d has the saùe ammo holding capacity
you can find it all worked out in our free publications (you can get them by the site of Arthur van Beveren , the french forum (lebonfoum atlantikwall) and the site of Bart Ketels
i can send them to you of you send a private message with your e mail...