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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby jopaerya on 19 Jul 2012 21:08

Hi Danielnn

Good to hear that you guys visit the L 483 in Esbjerg , hoping the next picture's are not so blurry :wink:

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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby Danielnn on 22 Jul 2012 06:05

Hey all.

New image will be postet later to day, 128 in total,will be abel as download.

Daniel

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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby Danielnn on 23 Jul 2012 20:08

image will come soon, got some problom with the webhost i use, can get all the pictur up. sorry all

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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby der bunkermann on 27 Jul 2012 19:49

Hi guys, attached a L 483 in stp. gr. schoorl...
maybe of some help?

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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby SES on 27 Jul 2012 21:16

Hi Tim,
VERY interesting drawing, many thanks for sharing. The equipment opening (which clearly is of German origin) into the left hand room is especially interesting considering that an opening into the same room has been found in the L 483 in Esbjerg. Please see my post of 6 July.
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby der bunkermann on 28 Jul 2012 20:57

good to see a drawing of a demolished bunker still serves a good purpose :lol:
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby SES on 29 Jul 2012 12:35

Hi Tim,
It did indeed. Can you give further details of the nature/purpose of the Stp.Grp. please.
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby JKernwerk on 29 Jul 2012 14:12

Hi SES,
It is in the same complex as Elektra-Sonne of Camperduin.
So could be the St-Auswertung of Elektra-Sonne.
If so it would be the only Elektra-Sonne with a L484.
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby SES on 29 Jul 2012 14:21

Hi Jack,
NOW it becomes really interesting. Do you now the location of the L483 in relation to the center foundation, or even better a map of the entire complex.
But please note the Electra/Sonne was "just" a transmitter, there was no Auswertung associated with it.
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby JKernwerk on 29 Jul 2012 14:34

Hi SES,
According to the BFK it is not a L483 but an L484.
It is the same as the L484 of Haamstede.
The L484 was situated in the dyke behind the middle antenna of the three.
http://www.fortendenhelder.nl/radars/elektrasonne.htm
and
http://www.fortendenhelder.nl/Schoorl/c ... erdijk.htm
I had to search for it but the Elektra-Sonne was used as a navigational aid for U-Boats.
It seemed a simple and good idea but the U-Boats did not made good use of it enough.
But if the L484 is not related to the E-S what could it be made for?
Normally the L484's are made at airbases, but the only airbase is about
11 km away (Bergen) and the next 20 km (De Kooy).
The L484 is about 400 metres away from the middle complex of the E-S.
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby SES on 29 Jul 2012 15:58

Hi Jack,
Yes it is a L 484. My suggestion is that it was built as a replacement for the "soft" buildings housing the technical equipment for the E/S. So room 80 was not used as radio-room, but possibly for an extra generator.
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby der bunkermann on 29 Jul 2012 20:53

Funny, i stumbled on to it searching for something else.. got fooled by the writing in the titelblok:-)
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby SES on 02 Aug 2012 22:01

Hi,
I have managed to find drawings (with the help of friends) of all L 483 in Denmark except the one on Aalb-West. Not one is 100% identical to the "Type Drawing". The greatest surprise was the door between room 22 and 79. Please see attachments.
The door at Grove between room 22 and 79, much wider than usual in a L 400 series bunker, TUS will no doubt tell us the type :)
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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby TUS on 02 Aug 2012 22:28

200x110x30 mm - 488P2 normally used in various hospital bunkers and larger Gef.Std. 8-)

Just checked A.C. Johansens book about Aalborg West, but his drawing looks like a standard RR one. Some of the other bloodhounds visited the engine department of this L483 back in 2010 and that part looks like the standard one.
Got some pics if you are interested?

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Re: L 483, RR drawing wrong?

Postby SES on 02 Aug 2012 22:37

Hi Tønnes,
Thanks for the door type.
I checked AC's book as well and I agree. AC assumed it was "standard according to Rudi Rolf". All too often we fail to measure and observed carefully. Did you and I notice that we walked through a door that wasen't supposed to be there 1½ year ago?
Yes I am interested in pictures.
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