668 "feldmässig"
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668 "feldmässig"
we like to discuss with you all here friends but one topic at the time
and please stay on this subject
Let s do not make the same mistakes like on other forums by mixing things
So here is the plan found by Erwann Lanneo (Hakobordeaux)
I ll thank him for letting us see this document here the plan given by Jos we think its an 668 constructed in the "St Felsmassig serie" described clearly in another post here on the forum
We found several of these strange things all around the " 7 armee " (from Morlaix to Brest and Crozon)
some are fitted with a tobruk (for the type see our article nr 4 in PDF in the topic (articles by the belfra team here)
some are constructed without tobruks like the real 668 , some has even a storage room for a 1700 l Wasserbehalter
Some has emergeny exits , some don t . even so like the 668/674/675 some has also no emergency exit at all
but plans speak more than words here we see almost exactly a same configuration the plan from erwann gives 2m77 on 4m70
this one at Po 22 gives 2m76 on 4m67
you can presume they are alike
they have no emergency exit but two entrances so maybe we have the ammunition version of the 668 in FM
but i think we can stay at the 668 fels name
here a normal version in the Brest area (this is the only one we found with twelve beds )
and please stay on this subject
Let s do not make the same mistakes like on other forums by mixing things
So here is the plan found by Erwann Lanneo (Hakobordeaux)
I ll thank him for letting us see this document here the plan given by Jos we think its an 668 constructed in the "St Felsmassig serie" described clearly in another post here on the forum
We found several of these strange things all around the " 7 armee " (from Morlaix to Brest and Crozon)
some are fitted with a tobruk (for the type see our article nr 4 in PDF in the topic (articles by the belfra team here)
some are constructed without tobruks like the real 668 , some has even a storage room for a 1700 l Wasserbehalter
Some has emergeny exits , some don t . even so like the 668/674/675 some has also no emergency exit at all
but plans speak more than words here we see almost exactly a same configuration the plan from erwann gives 2m77 on 4m70
this one at Po 22 gives 2m76 on 4m67
you can presume they are alike
they have no emergency exit but two entrances so maybe we have the ammunition version of the 668 in FM
but i think we can stay at the 668 fels name
here a normal version in the Brest area (this is the only one we found with twelve beds )
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
here the plan from brest area
.... (emergency exit , Tobruk , all the details of a genuine 668
2 m 78 on 4m 68 (look above for the other measurements)
and lets see now for a genuine 668
Well that gives .... interior dimensions 4 m 65 on 2 m 75
so we see the connection with the "sleeping room" in these two versions
Another remark
these 40 cm thick serie has in the ceiling .. IPN iron steel just like the ordinary ST constructions
eve above doors we have always IPN steel . (like ST)
we don t see that on any 40 cm thick construction (That even links it with the ST series)
even VF types (1m thick don t have these details)
we can place photos and so one but i ve not much time
but maybe we write an PDF about it in the near future you can find on our forum for free (all with , genuine german plans , documents and plans made in the field by us
here the link
http://lemurdelatlantique.lebonforum.com/
Dirk
.... (emergency exit , Tobruk , all the details of a genuine 668
2 m 78 on 4m 68 (look above for the other measurements)
and lets see now for a genuine 668
Well that gives .... interior dimensions 4 m 65 on 2 m 75
so we see the connection with the "sleeping room" in these two versions
Another remark
these 40 cm thick serie has in the ceiling .. IPN iron steel just like the ordinary ST constructions
eve above doors we have always IPN steel . (like ST)
we don t see that on any 40 cm thick construction (That even links it with the ST series)
even VF types (1m thick don t have these details)
we can place photos and so one but i ve not much time
but maybe we write an PDF about it in the near future you can find on our forum for free (all with , genuine german plans , documents and plans made in the field by us
here the link
http://lemurdelatlantique.lebonforum.com/
Dirk
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
Again is it "Felsmässig" or "Feldmässig"?
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
you see on this doc
feldmassig arthur i go pay attention to it
good remark
Dirk
feldmassig arthur i go pay attention to it
good remark
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
First of all, i would like to thank "bunkerboy" to have created this topic ! Now we know what is a 668 feldmassig in Bordeaux !
Secondly, the "drawing given by jos" is part of my own collection given to patrick Fleuridas a few years ago in order to find answers in typology ! it is a great honor to see it again ! this bunker was built in bordeaux at least three times ! next to 677 along the anti tank ditch
Finally, i do not know what to think about the secont entrance >> notausgang or not ?? i supposed it was an access to a tobrouk belonging to the 677 !
Secondly, the "drawing given by jos" is part of my own collection given to patrick Fleuridas a few years ago in order to find answers in typology ! it is a great honor to see it again ! this bunker was built in bordeaux at least three times ! next to 677 along the anti tank ditch
Finally, i do not know what to think about the secont entrance >> notausgang or not ?? i supposed it was an access to a tobrouk belonging to the 677 !
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
hi Erwann
the study isn t over yet that s for sure
do you have aerial pictures of a 668 feldmassig and one 677 ?
Dirk
the study isn t over yet that s for sure
do you have aerial pictures of a 668 feldmassig and one 677 ?
Dirk
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
Finally found a aerial picture
Not easy as i don t know where the anti tank ditch is situated ...
i ll think erwann has right here we see a building constructed at the 677 ... Anyone who is fast with an PC can confirm it ? try to design the two togehter
(sorry with my accident not so easy for the moment)
Dirk
Not easy as i don t know where the anti tank ditch is situated ...
i ll think erwann has right here we see a building constructed at the 677 ... Anyone who is fast with an PC can confirm it ? try to design the two togehter
(sorry with my accident not so easy for the moment)
Dirk
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
three more 677 without the 668 FM
Found Flak etc but the 677 and the tank ditch remain a mistery
can anyone help?
Dirk
i ll searched already over 50 photos of bordeauxFound Flak etc but the 677 and the tank ditch remain a mistery
can anyone help?
Dirk
Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
Hi Dirk
We are jumping from the socalled "668Vf" to the 677 in Bordeaux , maybe we can call this Topic bunkers in Bordeaux .
Do you have any list of Stp. and W.n. in Bordeaux , because I found some things on the 677 and other bunkers in
Bordeaux .
Regards Jos
We are jumping from the socalled "668Vf" to the 677 in Bordeaux , maybe we can call this Topic bunkers in Bordeaux .
Do you have any list of Stp. and W.n. in Bordeaux , because I found some things on the 677 and other bunkers in
Bordeaux .
Regards Jos
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
OK JOs tomorrow we start a mew topic
I m not at home
but Erwann ays the 668FM are constructed to the 677
therefore i kept the two linked togehter
Dirk
I m not at home
but Erwann ays the 668FM are constructed to the 677
therefore i kept the two linked togehter
Dirk
Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
Hello Dirk
From what I found all bunker 677 and Vf were build in Stp. Bo 42 , but there are several W.n. in this Stp.
they were numbered in Roman numbers like IV and XVI etc etc . What what I can found on Google all
bunker were build south of the U-Bootpens .
Regards Jos
From what I found all bunker 677 and Vf were build in Stp. Bo 42 , but there are several W.n. in this Stp.
they were numbered in Roman numbers like IV and XVI etc etc . What what I can found on Google all
bunker were build south of the U-Bootpens .
Regards Jos
Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
Hello Men
they are 6 x 668, 2 x 674, 8 x 646 and more 677 on BO 42
668 note by german 668 not 668 Feldm
Bo42 I : R677, R674/03
Bo42 II : R677
Bo42 III : R677, Munitionsbunker
Bo42 IV : R677, Mannsch.Bunker
Bo42 V : R677, 6 Schartenturmbunker
Bo42 VI : R677
Bo42 VII : R677
Bo42 VIII : R677
Bo42 IX : R677
Bo42 X : R677
Bo42 XI : R677
Bo42 XII : R677
Bo42 XIII : R677, Mannsch.Bunker, Munitionsbunker
Bo42 XIV : R677
Bo42 XV : R677
Bo42 XVI : R612/01, R668/02, Munitionsbunker
I find in département of Var French coast another 668 Feldm (archiv SHM Paris)
they are 6 x 668, 2 x 674, 8 x 646 and more 677 on BO 42
668 note by german 668 not 668 Feldm
Bo42 I : R677, R674/03
Bo42 II : R677
Bo42 III : R677, Munitionsbunker
Bo42 IV : R677, Mannsch.Bunker
Bo42 V : R677, 6 Schartenturmbunker
Bo42 VI : R677
Bo42 VII : R677
Bo42 VIII : R677
Bo42 IX : R677
Bo42 X : R677
Bo42 XI : R677
Bo42 XII : R677
Bo42 XIII : R677, Mannsch.Bunker, Munitionsbunker
Bo42 XIV : R677
Bo42 XV : R677
Bo42 XVI : R612/01, R668/02, Munitionsbunker
I find in département of Var French coast another 668 Feldm (archiv SHM Paris)
Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
Thanks Alain
Here a map of the Stp. Bo 42/49 , would be nice to know the place of W.n. with the roman numbers .
Regards Jos
Here a map of the Stp. Bo 42/49 , would be nice to know the place of W.n. with the roman numbers .
Regards Jos
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Re: 668 "Felsmassig"
ok gentemen here we are progressing
perhaps we can untangle all this
perhaps we can untangle all this
Re: 668 "feldmässig"
Bonjour à tous
JF
If you find it, you are the winner of the jackpot ! and I would give a big kiss to youjopaerya wrote: would be nice to know the place of W.n. with the roman numbers .
JF