15,2 cm s.F.H. 445 (r)

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15,2 cm s.F.H. 445 (r)

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Post by ain92 » 09 Jul 2013, 23:00

Called 152-mm howitzer Model of 1909/30 in Russian service, this was an interwar modernisation of 6-inch Schneider howitzer Model of 1909 with increased charge and hardened carriage, so it was approximate equivalent of visually similar French 155 mm M1917. It was the most common 152-mm howitzer during the Great Patriotic War, almost 1.5 times more of them were produced (before the war) than M-10 M1938, and unlike the latter they have no problems with towage (in case of shortage of tractors, horses could be used) so they were widely used untill the end of WW2.

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Damaged M1909/30 in Mogilyov, BSSR
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A row of heavily damaged M1909/30s (maybe sabotaged by Russian artillerists?)
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An M1909/30 in travel mode with STKhZ-NATI agricultural tractor, both abandoned
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Two photos of 15,2 cm s.F.H. 445 (r) from FotoBethge

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Post by ain92 » 22 Jul 2013, 18:29

On the first photo you can see rubber wheels similar to KPM-series wheels of 7,62 cm I.K.290(r) or 12,2 cm s.F.H.396(r). As far as I know they were developed for 152 mm howitzer D-1 M1943 and designated Ch-16 (Ч-16) or KPMCh-16 (КПМЧ-16) because wheels used on 122 mm M1938 were too weak for heavier 152 mm how. So the first photo is unusual because it show howitzer captured not in 1941, and probably not in 1942.
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Re: 15,2 cm s.F.H. 445 (r)

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Post by schwarzermai » 16 Jul 2016, 19:10

Hello, was there a version with muzzle break too?
thanks uwe
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Post by Manuferey » 16 Jul 2016, 20:10

It looks the same as the gun in Hämeenlinna Artillery Museum (Finland) identified as a 152 mm M1910/30:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152-mm_gun_M1910/30

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Post by schwarzermai » 17 Jul 2016, 08:07

Hello Emmanuel - thank you! uwe
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Re: 15,2 cm s.F.H. 445 (r)

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Post by karlik » 17 Jul 2016, 16:36

Hi!
This is not a 152 mm M1910/30 gun, it is 152 mm howitzer KM - "Капитальная модернизация" - Capital modernization

152 mm M1910/30 gun
http://www.cris9.armforc.ru/images/ml20_2.jpg

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Post by Manuferey » 18 Jul 2016, 01:29

Than you, Karlik. The KM version explains why the gun at the Finnish museum did not look quite like the 152 mm M1910/30 with the muzzle brake in the following thread but more like a modified M1909/30:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=161869

Here is an article about the 152 mm M1910 itself with several pictures for comparison:
http://landships.info/landships/artille ... v_M10.html

The following source calls the M1910/31 of your picture an M1910/34. What do you think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152-mm_gun_M1910/34

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Re: 15,2 cm s.F.H. 445 (r)

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Post by karlik » 18 Jul 2016, 06:45

Here, all three versions of the gun: M1910, M1910/30, M1910/34
http://www.cris9.armforc.ru/rva_ml20.htm

It may be wrong here?

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Post by Manuferey » 19 Jul 2016, 00:59

Karlik,

The versions on the crim9 website do not seem right. It would contradict all the other sources. I would trust Landship website first for the M1910. In addition, the M1910 on the cris9 website does not resemble even closely to the Schneider gun that inspired it. :?

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