Type 4 LS 50 mann

[dirk Peeters]

Alain Chazette has found on the superforum another new type
The LS Type 4 50 mann

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there are several constructed in le Havre
so here we have a unique modell in Le Havre
The M 168 is also a LS for 50 mann

see the second line in the document above (M 168 50 M 1300 CBM)

i ll think its the same
so it could be that a Type 4 is also a M 168
Your opinions please
Dirk

[Chazette]

Pierro find it
see to this link
regards
AC

http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/t1479 ... ker#168559

[dirk Peeters]

it is a 1m 50 Thick bunker that LS fur 50 Mann

it s possible that is this one
i! look further

[dirk Peeters]

When we see at the plans and maps of Le havre (german documents ofcourse this is what i found
bunker nr 200 in list

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bunker nr 200 on german map

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on an aerial picture of 1945 it gives this

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[dirk Peeters]

here other examples (nr 450 and 451)

on the german map

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aerial picture

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[dirk Peeters]

nr 452 ; 453 , 454 , 455

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the map

nrr 452

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nr 453

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nr 454

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we see they are all the same bunker , but an LS 50 mann type ostende is much smaller
for me i ll think they are all M 168 , but i could be wrong
anyone can verify with measurements or placing plans of the two types on the aerial pictures? i don t know how to do it
Dirk

[dirk Peeters]

an LS type Ostende measures
6 meter on 23 meter 20 so a small long bunker
an M 168 measures
21 meter on 12 meter
so much taller and i ll think its that we see here an M 168
Dirk

[dirk Peeters]

We had one survivor of these specimen
It was destroyed a few years ago but we have visited this one
It was on Quai de la Seine
a google picture

an exterior picture of myself

and this one is a genuine M 168
we see it is on dry docks
when we search in 1945 we find this

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we see the same drydock
and the german nr is 450 so they used for this one the name 50 Mann Bunker
why they use sometimes the designation M 168 or 50 Mann bunker i don t know but this is all i ve found sofar
Dirk

[Chazette]

Thank Dirk
but the Typ 4 is Bauwerk Nr 125, 126, 127
have you the localisation ?

[dirk Peeters]

No time for that now Alain
There is a party going on for me this afternoon , i ll think i ve no time anymore
here is the nr 450 which is identified as a M 168

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and the 450 is the same as the nr 200

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When i ve the time i ll search but it s timeconsuming you know
Dirk

[tristan-gereon]

Hi,

LS is certainly the abbreviation für Luftschutz. There is also an early Luftwaffen-Regelbau "LS-Unterstand für 50 Mann" , which you can find on several Fliegerhorste, for example Uetersen or Kiel-Holtenau and Grove http://www.gyges.dk/fliegerhorst_grove.htm
Regards
Oliver

[dirk Peeters]

I found already one

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Here 127 and 126

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and here the aerial picture

[dirk Peeters]

I have to leave
You can search the others perhaps
Have a great new yaers party all our members here
Dirk

[patrick fleuridas]

Hi,

Fine research Dirk, with drawing, originl document and pictures. I think all is right
Patrick

[Chazette]

not Right Patrick
the Typ 4 is for 50 Mann Stand (125,126,127,200)
the M168 is note 50 Mann Bunker (exemple 200) no the same name

only the plan of 125,126,127,200 explaine the Type 4
regards
good night
AC