Mar.Befehlsstand at Strinda

[jopaerya]

Hello

Any idea on this large bunker ( Empfangsstation ) build in Trondheim ? Picture is from Natter .

Regards Jos

[jopaerya]

No one , could this be the Fl 331 ??

Regards Jos

[hashes]

The picture is very low resolution. I tried copying it over to Photoshop, to play around with light and shadows, but 69 kb doesn't give me much to work on. There are elements on the roof that are interesting. Also, what seems to be an odd structure where there is an opening in the forest all the way in the back.

My first thought is, is this a one or two floor bunker? There is one element on the roof that tells me this could be a one floor bunker. And the rest is going to a solid roof. But the wooded structure being built on the left side of the bunker tells me it could possibly be one more floor coming. Which also gives me a reason for why the roof of the first floor is not that thick.

There are two entrances in the front that kind of rules out a few of the large bunkers in the Strinda area. With the resolution I have to work with, it seems like the doors to the entrances are quite thick. If it is doors I am actually seeing.

I am not familier with the names of all these bunkers, and I have no idea if these people are wearing regular German uniforms or if OT had their own uniforms.

I am not sure what "Entfangsstation" means. Google translate is not helping me.
If you look in Strinda bygdebok and go through each farm, you can see that there is mention of many bunkers, also huge ones (from the farmer or authors description off course), that are not mentioned on the website "kystfort.no".

Personally I am looking for two larger bunkers myself. Going to ask for permission to dig and verify the entrance of one of them this summer, between Ringve and Ringvebukta.

Looking back at what I have written, I am guessing this didn't help you out one bit.

[SES]

Hi,
Maybe Natter could explain the context in the NARA file. It is certainly an interesting bunker.
bregds
SES

[kstdk]

Hej

Kunne det være denne:

http://www.strindahistorielag.no/wiki/i ... _Persaunet

A lot can be found here:

http://www.strindahistorielag.no/index.php?side=engelsk

And here:

http://www.strindahistorielag.no/wiki/i ... le=Forside

Regards
Kurt
kstdk

[Janef]

http://www.norli.no/webapp/wcs/stores/s ... ogId=10001

New book dealing with the bunker.
Google Bunkeren + Knut Sivertsen and you will have hits om the book. The above link is to one of Norways major book shops, which sell this book.

JEF

[jopaerya]

Thanks JEF

Must be a good bunker book because Knut Sivertsen is a local bunker specialist .

Regards Jos

[hashes]

I see the attachment above of the large white/grey bunker at Persaunet. Bunker 18 as it is called now. I am not sure that is the bunker. For me, it's the landscape that doesn't fit. When Bunker 18 was built in 1943, there where farmlands in 3 directions. The fourth direction did have a tree line, but only a narrow stretch. Behind the tree line there would be a hill where Kuhaugen camp would be. The bunker at Kuhaugen was as far as I remember operational in 1943 and some of the camp buildings. Some of these camp buildings would show above the tree line, which is not the case in the photo.

I used the website http://www.norgeibilder.no to show what I mean. Below is a collage I put together.
1937 - Farmlands. A little part of Bunker 18 is shown as of 2014, showing where the building is.
1947 - The camp built, including bunker 18.
1957 - Just the bunker. Measured one of the short sides today and it came out to 14.5 meters in length. Too many people around to measure the other walls, but the opposite short wall is larger in length.
2015 - From http://www.kartverket.no, showing the structure in correct scale.

The large arrows in 1937 and 1947 point to the bunker.
The arrows on the left side show the tree line I am mentioning.
The arrow that goes below the picture in 1937 and 1947, points to a building I didn't include, but might be relevant.

The building (torn down last year) was a nursing home and also a hospital. It was a 4 story building. And as far as I know, it was built in 1926. If the picture was taken on one of the long walls, and showing the tree line correctly as of today, that hospital would be in the background to the left.

One more thing I might add. The organization Todt stood for the planning, but there where "mainly" Norwegian companies that stood for the building of the camp (but maybe not for the bunkers). But the people on the picture look like they are wearing a uniform, which would not be the case for the Norwegian workers.

When I was in the military, I used to work at Persaunet Camp in 1985-86, in one of the neighboring buildings, and walked passed this bunker almost daily. If this actually is the correct bunker, the picture would have to be on the largest of the short walls, but that doesn't seem right either.

Not knowing too much about bunkers, let me ask a question, because I know you guys know a lot more than I do. Are we sure this is a two story bunker, or is it one, with a solid roof, being built.

The book "Bunker" is a great book. It's not really about bunkers. A good way to explain it would be "Fortress Trondheim".

[kstdk]

Hello

Thanks for your input regarding "Bunker 18", very detailed.

No - we are also not 100 % sure that it is this bunker - but are trying to find out.

What other options are there?

Regards
Kurt
kstdk

[S_haule]

Dear Friends,

Just an idea : could-it be Nordblitz in Charlottenlund?

Cheers,

Sébastien Haule

[Natter]

Maybe Natter could explain the context in the NARA file. It is certainly an interesting bunker.

The photo in question is found in a german document/photo-album titled "Schwerste batterien in Norwegen" (1943) with photos from the construction of the heavy batteries at Trondenes and Örlandet (the photo is included in the chapter for the latter).

The album is found at NARA (RG242/T-312/Roll 1074). I have made a pdf of it for download here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/386 ... 943%29.pdf

Here is the original, unedited, photo from the roll (300dpi scan):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38692668/01031.jpg

[hashes]

Lol. I think I got it. I am going to put together a collage tomorrow, and see if you guys agree. It's almost 2 in the morning.

I think everything fits in the terrain from the pictures in "Here is the original..."
But what gave it away is a picture from "The album is found..."

The picture is "Deckenbewehrung. Deckentrager fertig verlegt". The hill on the right side of the picture could be Rotvollhaugen. What is not shown is Øvre Rotvoll Gård (Upper Rotvoll Farm) and St. Hans Haugen. That places this bunker at Nordblitz Charlottenlund. Just 5 minutes away from where I live.

[Natter]

That places this bunker at Nordblitz Charlottenlund. Just 5 minutes away from where I live.

I think that has already been established from the discussion on the norwegian kystfort-forum a couple of years back.

[hashes]

Ok. Couldn't wait until tomorrow. Here comes the collage and one more. Just want to mention, that even though everything looks ok from my point of view, I still have a problem with the doors, which I feel should be on the opposite side.

The large arrows shows the camera view.
I might have mixed up the albums, but it's almost 4 in the morning.

Picture 1 (in the collage), Baustelle in the "Here is the original...". In the collage I have a small arrow pointing to a few trees. In the photo itself, on the right side, you have the forest. Almost at the edge of the picture, there are a few lighter trees, which could be trees spread out a little closer (indicated by the arrow).

Picture 2 (in the collage), Blick auf die Deckenbewehrung in "Here is the original...". The forest is a little further away. In the collage I have a small arrow pointing to a very close tree line, which one can also see in the photo.

Picture 3 (seperate), Deckenbewehrung. Deckentrager fertig verlegt in "The album is found..." Small arrow A shows Rotvollskogen/Rotvollhaugen. (It's the Norwegian name for the hill. Small arrow B shows a tree line, which can be clearly seen in the picture.

Ok. That's it for tonight. I still have problems with the doors of the bunker, which I feel should be on the opposite side of the bunker. I'll see if I can take a trip up there tomorrow and verify.

Hopefully, this verifies that this is Norblitz Charlottenlund.

Natter: Just saw your comment. Lol, I didn't know that.

[richardp]

Hi

My father was stationed at Persaunet in September 1945 (see attached photo) and I have no idea why. Can anyone help? He was with the Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment)

Richard