ID these SHELLs ...
ID these SHELLs ...
hello .
can someone ID the first row of Shells in this pic ?
thanks in Advance.
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http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/4 ... cm-Flak-AP
can someone ID the first row of Shells in this pic ?
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http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/4 ... cm-Flak-AP
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Re: ID these SHELLs ...
and is there any tiger ammo in pic ?
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Re: ID these SHELLs ...
what are this marks ?
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Re: ID these SHELLs ...
First row in the back or the front ?
None of these rounds are for 8,8 cm kw.K. 36/Tiger, biggest rounds in that picture are 3,7 cm, KW.K. 36 was 8,8 cm.
The other picture shows a 3,7 cm Pzgr.Patr for 3,7 cm Pak or 3,7 cm Kw.K.
The marks shown gibe information about the the type and length of propellant used,tthe type of explosive used, date and place the powder and explosives were made, and date and place the rounds was put together plus initials of the person responsible.
None of these rounds are for 8,8 cm kw.K. 36/Tiger, biggest rounds in that picture are 3,7 cm, KW.K. 36 was 8,8 cm.
The other picture shows a 3,7 cm Pzgr.Patr for 3,7 cm Pak or 3,7 cm Kw.K.
The marks shown gibe information about the the type and length of propellant used,tthe type of explosive used, date and place the powder and explosives were made, and date and place the rounds was put together plus initials of the person responsible.
Re: ID these SHELLs ...
hello dear Zunder.Zünder wrote:First row in the back or the front ?
None of these rounds are for 8,8 cm kw.K. 36/Tiger, biggest rounds in that picture are 3,7 cm, KW.K. 36 was 8,8 cm.
The other picture shows a 3,7 cm Pzgr.Patr for 3,7 cm Pak or 3,7 cm Kw.K.
The marks shown gibe information about the the type and length of propellant used,tthe type of explosive used, date and place the powder and explosives were made, and date and place the rounds was put together plus initials of the person responsible.
1st row in back.
thanks for your help.
and can you say what means the marks exactly.
such as which company ...
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TIRDAD.
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Re: ID these SHELLs ...
First 3 on the left are all HE, but impossible to say which models exactly.
Others, from left to right:
- 3,7 cm H-Pzgrpatr.L'spur o. zerl. for 3,7 cm Bordkanone
- until know unknown model shell: these were found with and without tungsten core, it is not known for what gun this one was meant, so putting it on a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case is a bit of a wild guess, but at the same time a very likely candidate.
- Unknown model, considering the build up most likely a practice version of a APCR shell. There are rumours that a few were found on 3,7 cm Flak 18 cases, but i've enver seen any actual evidence.
- 2x 3,7 cm Pzgrpatr. 18, one with KPS and one with FES drivingband., both for 3,7 cm Flak 18 and 3,7 cm Bordkanone.
- 3,7 cm Gr.Patr. 18 (Ansch), proof shot, to test new barrels, both for 3,7 cm Flak 18 and 3,7 cm Bordkanone.
- the shell is often sold as a "Vp" (Verpackung), for trainingpurposes, but i don't think it has been positivcly identified until now. Judging by the drivingband, it should not belong a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case but rather ona 3,7 cm Pak case.
- Exerzier Patr. d. 3,7 cm Flak: Exercise round for 3,7 cm Flak 18
- 3,7 cm H.Pzgr. L'spur Üb. o. Zerl, 3,7 cm APCR practice shell for 3,7 cm Bordkanone, case (3,7 cm Pak) is wrong, should be a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case.
Not all the marks are visible in this picture, but I can tell you that the 3,7 cm Pak round contained a 192 gram Diglycol tubelar powder, most likely 188 mm long, and 2,2 mm in diameter, made by Dbg in 1937.
Round was put together on June 1 1939 (or 1938 ?)
The shell was completed in june 1939, the explosive charge in 1937.
Others, from left to right:
- 3,7 cm H-Pzgrpatr.L'spur o. zerl. for 3,7 cm Bordkanone
- until know unknown model shell: these were found with and without tungsten core, it is not known for what gun this one was meant, so putting it on a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case is a bit of a wild guess, but at the same time a very likely candidate.
- Unknown model, considering the build up most likely a practice version of a APCR shell. There are rumours that a few were found on 3,7 cm Flak 18 cases, but i've enver seen any actual evidence.
- 2x 3,7 cm Pzgrpatr. 18, one with KPS and one with FES drivingband., both for 3,7 cm Flak 18 and 3,7 cm Bordkanone.
- 3,7 cm Gr.Patr. 18 (Ansch), proof shot, to test new barrels, both for 3,7 cm Flak 18 and 3,7 cm Bordkanone.
- the shell is often sold as a "Vp" (Verpackung), for trainingpurposes, but i don't think it has been positivcly identified until now. Judging by the drivingband, it should not belong a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case but rather ona 3,7 cm Pak case.
- Exerzier Patr. d. 3,7 cm Flak: Exercise round for 3,7 cm Flak 18
- 3,7 cm H.Pzgr. L'spur Üb. o. Zerl, 3,7 cm APCR practice shell for 3,7 cm Bordkanone, case (3,7 cm Pak) is wrong, should be a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case.
Not all the marks are visible in this picture, but I can tell you that the 3,7 cm Pak round contained a 192 gram Diglycol tubelar powder, most likely 188 mm long, and 2,2 mm in diameter, made by Dbg in 1937.
Round was put together on June 1 1939 (or 1938 ?)
The shell was completed in june 1939, the explosive charge in 1937.
Re: ID these SHELLs ...
Hello dear zunder.Zünder wrote:First 3 on the left are all HE, but impossible to say which models exactly.
Others, from left to right:
- 3,7 cm H-Pzgrpatr.L'spur o. zerl. for 3,7 cm Bordkanone
- until know unknown model shell: these were found with and without tungsten core, it is not known for what gun this one was meant, so putting it on a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case is a bit of a wild guess, but at the same time a very likely candidate.
- Unknown model, considering the build up most likely a practice version of a APCR shell. There are rumours that a few were found on 3,7 cm Flak 18 cases, but i've enver seen any actual evidence.
- 2x 3,7 cm Pzgrpatr. 18, one with KPS and one with FES drivingband., both for 3,7 cm Flak 18 and 3,7 cm Bordkanone.
- 3,7 cm Gr.Patr. 18 (Ansch), proof shot, to test new barrels, both for 3,7 cm Flak 18 and 3,7 cm Bordkanone.
- the shell is often sold as a "Vp" (Verpackung), for trainingpurposes, but i don't think it has been positivcly identified until now. Judging by the drivingband, it should not belong a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case but rather ona 3,7 cm Pak case.
- Exerzier Patr. d. 3,7 cm Flak: Exercise round for 3,7 cm Flak 18
- 3,7 cm H.Pzgr. L'spur Üb. o. Zerl, 3,7 cm APCR practice shell for 3,7 cm Bordkanone, case (3,7 cm Pak) is wrong, should be a 3,7 cm Flak 18 case.
Not all the marks are visible in this picture, but I can tell you that the 3,7 cm Pak round contained a 192 gram Diglycol tubelar powder, most likely 188 mm long, and 2,2 mm in diameter, made by Dbg in 1937.
Round was put together on June 1 1939 (or 1938 ?)
The shell was completed in june 1939, the explosive charge in 1937.
thank for your help.
Regards.
tirdad.
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