Heavy coast gun
Heavy coast gun
Hello All
In the same lot also picture's of a German gun , the Ebay photo caption says also
Oslo fjord but I think that is not correct . Who can help me with the right place ??
Regards Jos
In the same lot also picture's of a German gun , the Ebay photo caption says also
Oslo fjord but I think that is not correct . Who can help me with the right place ??
Regards Jos
Better photos of the same gun but in different place
Hello, Jos.
I seen this gun in a Russian artillery LJ community at http://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/283322.html, people thought it to be a 28 cm SK, probably a L/45 C/07. One may find some info at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=145253 (the very beginning of the well-known "Help Id these heavy coastal guns" topic). The places proposed were MKB 3./513 Kiberg and MKB Goeben (vide http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=204184).
Here're the photos found by Vladimir Yakubov at the website of National Library of Norway (Nasjonalbiblioteket), click to view original versions (~0.8M each):
I seen this gun in a Russian artillery LJ community at http://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/283322.html, people thought it to be a 28 cm SK, probably a L/45 C/07. One may find some info at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=145253 (the very beginning of the well-known "Help Id these heavy coastal guns" topic). The places proposed were MKB 3./513 Kiberg and MKB Goeben (vide http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=204184).
Here're the photos found by Vladimir Yakubov at the website of National Library of Norway (Nasjonalbiblioteket), click to view original versions (~0.8M each):
With best regards, Ilya.
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Re: Better photos of the same gun but in different place
I don't think it's Goeben-it looks more likely like Norway not like Baltic See coast line.ain92 wrote:Hello, Jos.
I seen this gun in a Russian artillery LJ community at http://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/283322.html, people thought it to be a 28 cm SK, probably a L/45 C/07. One may find some info at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=145253 (the very beginning of the well-known "Help Id these heavy coastal guns" topic). The places proposed were MKB 3./513 Kiberg and MKB Goeben (vide http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=204184).
Here're the photos found by Vladimir Yakubov at the website of National Library of Norway (Nasjonalbiblioteket), click to view original versions (~0.8M each):
Re: Heavy coast gun
It could be from Oslofjord, Norway in The Østfold county. Eisenbahn-batterie 689, Strand / Knatterud, was located here between 1942 and 1945 with 2 x 28 cm schwere Bruno. Vegetation and the low level of snow can match this place.
Re: Heavy coast gun
As far as I understand, Eisenbahn-batterie is armed with railway guns, but the gun on the photo is on stationary mount.Harpoon wrote:It could be from Oslofjord, Norway in The Østfold county. Eisenbahn-batterie 689, Strand / Knatterud, was located here between 1942 and 1945 with 2 x 28 cm schwere Bruno. Vegetation and the low level of snow can match this place.
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Re: Heavy coast gun
Hi,
it could be MKB Prinz Heinrich in the aera of Leningrad.
Regards
Oliver
it could be MKB Prinz Heinrich in the aera of Leningrad.
Regards
Oliver
Re: Heavy coast gun
Thank for your reply's , the first two picture's have lot of tree's and they are missing on the 3 picture's from LJ community ??
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Better photos of the same gun but in different place
Wasn't Goeben moved to Husöen in Norway as MKB 1./507?Andrzej Ditrich wrote:I don't think it's Goeben-it looks more likely like Norway not like Baltic See coast line.
But the landscape would not match anyway. See here:
http://www.bunkerpictures.nl/datasheets ... tarva.html
Emmanuel
Re: Heavy coast gun
The two first pictures is not in Norway due to the Vegetation.
The guns shown on the later pictures are probably 28 cm SKL/45 in Bettungschiessgerüst of which there were two of batteries: Kiberg way up north and Tarva (MKB Husöen) here in Mid-Norway. The pictures from Nasjonalbiblioteket is almost certainly from Tarva (ex Goeben).
If the source is the same photographer (a soldier at Tarva) the two top pictures may be from Btt Goeben in the Baltic (winter 1939-40).
JEF
The guns shown on the later pictures are probably 28 cm SKL/45 in Bettungschiessgerüst of which there were two of batteries: Kiberg way up north and Tarva (MKB Husöen) here in Mid-Norway. The pictures from Nasjonalbiblioteket is almost certainly from Tarva (ex Goeben).
If the source is the same photographer (a soldier at Tarva) the two top pictures may be from Btt Goeben in the Baltic (winter 1939-40).
JEF
Re: Heavy coast gun
Yes, there were pine trees around. See here ("Batterie "Prinz Heinrich" n. Leningrad"):tristan-gereon wrote:Hi,
it could be MKB Prinz Heinrich in the aera of Leningrad.
Regards
Oliver
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=210014
Emmanuel
Re: Heavy coast gun
So there we have two options left . Swinemunde or near Leningrad .
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Heavy coast gun
I am more leaning towards Leningrad (Peterhof). The Goeben battery was placed in special bunkers with dual emplacements, one for setting up the guns in BSG and one for the planned use of new C/37 turrets. The battery shown seems to be mounted in ordinary Flachbettung. (The C/37 turrets later was used for Grosser Kürfürst 4 turrets, and later three turrets for the 28 cm SKC/34 guns from the wrecked A-turret of Gneisenau in Holland).
JEF
JEF
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Re: Heavy coast gun
Hmm I'm really confused now....
Leningrad emplacement was surrounded by wooden logs wall protecting the earth excavation - on Jos' photo emplacement is on flat earth surface.
So mayby it's Goeben?
What are the elements 1-5: Ventilation chimneys? and 6: steel frame construction?
Leningrad emplacement was surrounded by wooden logs wall protecting the earth excavation - on Jos' photo emplacement is on flat earth surface.
So mayby it's Goeben?
What are the elements 1-5: Ventilation chimneys? and 6: steel frame construction?
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Re: Heavy coast gun
Missed the ventilation tops
That is a sign of underground facilities, which points towards Btty Goeben.
JEF
That is a sign of underground facilities, which points towards Btty Goeben.
JEF
Re: Heavy coast gun
Great observation, Andrzej !
According to a KTB of the Kriegsmarine of March 1943, the ground near the Leningrad position was not suitable for digging underground shelters: "Admiral, Baltic States has informed Naval Staff of a report to Baltic Station on the site for emplacement of Battery "Prinz Heinrich", [...] especially since terrain conditions make it impossible to sink the battery."
Emmanuel
According to a KTB of the Kriegsmarine of March 1943, the ground near the Leningrad position was not suitable for digging underground shelters: "Admiral, Baltic States has informed Naval Staff of a report to Baltic Station on the site for emplacement of Battery "Prinz Heinrich", [...] especially since terrain conditions make it impossible to sink the battery."
Emmanuel