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Heavy coast gun

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Post by jopaerya » 15 Nov 2014, 10:52

Hello All

In the same lot also picture's of a German gun , the Ebay photo caption says also
Oslo fjord but I think that is not correct . Who can help me with the right place ??

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Better photos of the same gun but in different place

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Post by ain92 » 21 Nov 2014, 10:59

Hello, Jos.
I seen this gun in a Russian artillery LJ community at http://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/283322.html, people thought it to be a 28 cm SK, probably a L/45 C/07. One may find some info at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=145253 (the very beginning of the well-known "Help Id these heavy coastal guns" topic). The places proposed were MKB 3./513 Kiberg and MKB Goeben (vide http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=204184).
Here're the photos found by Vladimir Yakubov at the website of National Library of Norway (Nasjonalbiblioteket), click to view original versions (~0.8M each):
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Re: Better photos of the same gun but in different place

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 21 Nov 2014, 11:41

ain92 wrote:Hello, Jos.
I seen this gun in a Russian artillery LJ community at http://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/283322.html, people thought it to be a 28 cm SK, probably a L/45 C/07. One may find some info at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=145253 (the very beginning of the well-known "Help Id these heavy coastal guns" topic). The places proposed were MKB 3./513 Kiberg and MKB Goeben (vide http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=204184).
Here're the photos found by Vladimir Yakubov at the website of National Library of Norway (Nasjonalbiblioteket), click to view original versions (~0.8M each):
I don't think it's Goeben-it looks more likely like Norway not like Baltic See coast line.

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Harpoon » 21 Nov 2014, 16:10

It could be from Oslofjord, Norway in The Østfold county. Eisenbahn-batterie 689, Strand / Knatterud, was located here between 1942 and 1945 with 2 x 28 cm schwere Bruno. Vegetation and the low level of snow can match this place.

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Post by ain92 » 21 Nov 2014, 17:22

Harpoon wrote:It could be from Oslofjord, Norway in The Østfold county. Eisenbahn-batterie 689, Strand / Knatterud, was located here between 1942 and 1945 with 2 x 28 cm schwere Bruno. Vegetation and the low level of snow can match this place.
As far as I understand, Eisenbahn-batterie is armed with railway guns, but the gun on the photo is on stationary mount.
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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by tristan-gereon » 21 Nov 2014, 18:44

Hi,
it could be MKB Prinz Heinrich in the aera of Leningrad.

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by jopaerya » 21 Nov 2014, 22:55

Thank for your reply's , the first two picture's have lot of tree's and they are missing on the 3 picture's from LJ community ??

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Re: Better photos of the same gun but in different place

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Post by Manuferey » 21 Nov 2014, 23:46

Andrzej Ditrich wrote:I don't think it's Goeben-it looks more likely like Norway not like Baltic See coast line.
Wasn't Goeben moved to Husöen in Norway as MKB 1./507?

But the landscape would not match anyway. See here:
http://www.bunkerpictures.nl/datasheets ... tarva.html

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Janef » 21 Nov 2014, 23:59

The two first pictures is not in Norway due to the Vegetation.
The guns shown on the later pictures are probably 28 cm SKL/45 in Bettungschiessgerüst of which there were two of batteries: Kiberg way up north and Tarva (MKB Husöen) here in Mid-Norway. The pictures from Nasjonalbiblioteket is almost certainly from Tarva (ex Goeben).
If the source is the same photographer (a soldier at Tarva) the two top pictures may be from Btt Goeben in the Baltic (winter 1939-40).
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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Manuferey » 22 Nov 2014, 00:13

tristan-gereon wrote:Hi,
it could be MKB Prinz Heinrich in the aera of Leningrad.

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Yes, there were pine trees around. See here ("Batterie "Prinz Heinrich" n. Leningrad"):
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=210014

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by jopaerya » 22 Nov 2014, 08:13

So there we have two options left . Swinemunde or near Leningrad .

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Janef » 22 Nov 2014, 13:05

I am more leaning towards Leningrad (Peterhof). The Goeben battery was placed in special bunkers with dual emplacements, one for setting up the guns in BSG and one for the planned use of new C/37 turrets. The battery shown seems to be mounted in ordinary Flachbettung. (The C/37 turrets later was used for Grosser Kürfürst 4 turrets, and later three turrets for the 28 cm SKC/34 guns from the wrecked A-turret of Gneisenau in Holland).

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 22 Nov 2014, 15:25

Hmm I'm really confused now....
Leningrad emplacement was surrounded by wooden logs wall protecting the earth excavation - on Jos' photo emplacement is on flat earth surface.
So mayby it's Goeben?
What are the elements 1-5: Ventilation chimneys? and 6: steel frame construction?
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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Janef » 22 Nov 2014, 16:20

Missed the ventilation tops :oops:
That is a sign of underground facilities, which points towards Btty Goeben.

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Re: Heavy coast gun

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Post by Manuferey » 22 Nov 2014, 20:35

Great observation, Andrzej !

According to a KTB of the Kriegsmarine of March 1943, the ground near the Leningrad position was not suitable for digging underground shelters: "Admiral, Baltic States has informed Naval Staff of a report to Baltic Station on the site for emplacement of Battery "Prinz Heinrich", [...] especially since terrain conditions make it impossible to sink the battery."

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