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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by schwarzermai » 19 Jun 2014, 14:19

hello Jos, i know, my "problem" is the designation

Schadpanzer/diabled tank (see order P.Kp."Berlin") isen't the same as "Pz.Kw.Turm Panther auf Stahlbunker"

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/f ... 311470&t=1

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by kstdk » 19 Jun 2014, 17:58

Hello

No you are right. The document talks about dug in panzers (disabled Pz. IV and V types) meaning both hull and turrets are dug in the streets / pavements.

Not proper Panther Turrets on bunker, that is correct - I brougth that ducument here because I believe that a lot of the pictures of Panther Turrets are in fact of "dug in panthers" - and not bunkers - specially concerning Photos from Berlin, that is!

Could you agree to that :)

I dont see a problem here??

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 19 Jun 2014, 21:39

A question coming to my mind recently is, if Schadpanzer used for fortifications were standarised in any way, or just improvised and different from location to location.

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Re: Panther bodenturm

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Post by Eax-E » 08 Aug 2014, 21:34

Hello

Post Number 147 of this thread :
searay wrote:Here's some other photos from unidentified locations in Italy.
The third one was taken on the Gotic Line defending the pass of Futa. :wink:

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Tommygunn » 09 Aug 2014, 14:23

Eax-E,
Are you certain about that PT with the US Soldier standing in the entrance being at the Futa Pass? I can't remember exactly but I think I said somewhere previously that it was in this sector but not at the Futa Pass.

In other news I think I have located the so-called Senigallia Pantherturm to within a few hundred metres or so. It is actually no where near Senigallia but in the Ancona area. Still need to get my bearings to be sure.

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Eax-E » 09 Aug 2014, 16:36

Hello Tommygunn,

I'm not 100% sure but I found it in a wartime book of the US army with this caption. :wink:

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 10 Aug 2014, 17:39

@ Eax-E:

No, third one from post 147 is Passo della Collina.

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Oct 2014, 17:28

Looks like Pantherturm(?)
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 22 Oct 2014, 22:03

It says Ardennes?
Device in the front is a "sinking" chimney from wt80k?

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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 22 Oct 2014, 22:07

Next to Panzernest in Piedimonte (seen in Panzernest post) there is located well known Pantherturm - another picture.
From http://www.muzhp.pl/artykuly/1335/bitwa ... te-cassino
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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 23 Oct 2014, 01:34

Looking like this turret:
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 23 Oct 2014, 01:46

New one from Berlin. Worth of note are hatches in front of the turret.
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Post by forttravel » 23 Oct 2014, 16:30

Polish Forces in Italy made also an inspection with sketches of captured Pantherturms.
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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 08 Nov 2014, 18:50

2 more photos from Panzerwrecks series with turrets from Berlin.
Who can write more about those hatches outside turret?
Is it Panther hull dug in and those hatches are covers of the engine and coolers?
Or mayby it's new bunker-not OT Stahlunterstand???
Please note also rails which are dug in verticaly.
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Re: Panther Bodenturm

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Post by herring » 09 Nov 2014, 11:01

Forttravel,

What is interesting on the sketch, is the different placing of beds - 2 on opposite sides of room. E.g. in Pyrenees it was placed like 3, one above each other, on one side of the room.

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