Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
I am searching for other information on this Flak battery , Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Jos,
This 8,8 cm “Wildelau” Flak battery seems to correspond to the static battery that General Hoecker, CO of 17. LFD, mentions near the French village of Notre-Dame du Bec between Le Havre and Etretat, in his postwar report to the Americans (FMS # B-014):
Hoecker also positioned this static 8.8 cm battery on a map that he drawn for the American report and in which he remembered the positions of German units as of July 24, 1944. The static 8,8 cm battery (but not quite with a Flak symbol) appears in the 89 ID area and at a location near N.D. du Bec indeed:
Emmanuel
This 8,8 cm “Wildelau” Flak battery seems to correspond to the static battery that General Hoecker, CO of 17. LFD, mentions near the French village of Notre-Dame du Bec between Le Havre and Etretat, in his postwar report to the Americans (FMS # B-014):
Hoecker also positioned this static 8.8 cm battery on a map that he drawn for the American report and in which he remembered the positions of German units as of July 24, 1944. The static 8,8 cm battery (but not quite with a Flak symbol) appears in the 89 ID area and at a location near N.D. du Bec indeed:
Emmanuel
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Thanks Emmanuel
Yes,that seem to fit perfectly. there should be some traces because it was a static flak battery .
Regards Jos
Yes,that seem to fit perfectly. there should be some traces because it was a static flak battery .
Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Jos,
I have noticed that the first letter of "wildelau" was not capitalized. But I cannot find this word as a common word in German, only as a last name. Should it be "Wildelau" with a capital "W" then? In which case, it could be the name of the battery commander.
Emmanuel
I have noticed that the first letter of "wildelau" was not capitalized. But I cannot find this word as a common word in German, only as a last name. Should it be "Wildelau" with a capital "W" then? In which case, it could be the name of the battery commander.
Emmanuel
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
I was thinking in the same direction, Emmanuel
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Found our friend Oblt. Wildelau ex-commander of the Ost-Art.Abt 621 .
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Thanks, Jos.
Here is a picture from Bundesarchiv showing a 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) inspected by soldiers of Ost-Artillerie-Abt. 621 in 1944 somewhere in the Pays de Caux. Several HBKs of HKAR 1252 located in the same general area were equipped with this type of Flak guns in 1944 so I thought that the BA picture showed a 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) of one of these batteries (in particular 9./1252 or 10./1252). However, I could not explain why the gun would be inspected/surrounded by soldiers from Ost-Art.Abt. 621.
The fact now that the commanding officer of the static Flak Batterie Wildelau was from Ost-Art. Abt. 621 makes me think that the guns of Flak Batterie Wildelau could have been 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) instead of actual 8.8 cm Flak. Oblt Wildelau may even be on the picture!
Emmanuel
Here is a picture from Bundesarchiv showing a 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) inspected by soldiers of Ost-Artillerie-Abt. 621 in 1944 somewhere in the Pays de Caux. Several HBKs of HKAR 1252 located in the same general area were equipped with this type of Flak guns in 1944 so I thought that the BA picture showed a 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) of one of these batteries (in particular 9./1252 or 10./1252). However, I could not explain why the gun would be inspected/surrounded by soldiers from Ost-Art.Abt. 621.
The fact now that the commanding officer of the static Flak Batterie Wildelau was from Ost-Art. Abt. 621 makes me think that the guns of Flak Batterie Wildelau could have been 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) instead of actual 8.8 cm Flak. Oblt Wildelau may even be on the picture!
Emmanuel
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Here is a picture from "Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the Third Reich: An Encyclopedic Survey", by Terry Gander and Peter Chamberlain posted on Dec. 13, 2002 here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=11867
It shows a crew manning a 8.35 cm Flak 22(t). I've realized that it shows the same insignia as on the Bundesarchiv pictures above and below is visible on a soldier that looks very much the same as the soldier (NCO?) below. Therefore, there's a good chance that it is part of the same series of German pictures.
Emmanuel
P.S. Does someone have a better picture from the above mentioned book?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=11867
It shows a crew manning a 8.35 cm Flak 22(t). I've realized that it shows the same insignia as on the Bundesarchiv pictures above and below is visible on a soldier that looks very much the same as the soldier (NCO?) below. Therefore, there's a good chance that it is part of the same series of German pictures.
Emmanuel
P.S. Does someone have a better picture from the above mentioned book?
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Few remarks
(1) here the Gleiderung from the Ost-Art.Abt.621 , no 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) . ( 1944 )
(2) every I.D. in Haut Normandie had two 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) as L.A.G.
(3) the steel badge with the F on it had something to do with battle near Rschew
Regards Jos
(1) here the Gleiderung from the Ost-Art.Abt.621 , no 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) . ( 1944 )
(2) every I.D. in Haut Normandie had two 8.35 cm Flak 22(t) as L.A.G.
(3) the steel badge with the F on it had something to do with battle near Rschew
Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Thanks, Jos.
My assumptions are that Oblt Wildelau took some men from Ost-Art.Abt. 621 with him to form the battery (maybe just NCOs, who were German, the ones we see with the insignae?) and 8,35 cm Flak (t) guns from surrounding units incl. HKAA 1252 along with their crews.
Emmanuel
My assumptions are that Oblt Wildelau took some men from Ost-Art.Abt. 621 with him to form the battery (maybe just NCOs, who were German, the ones we see with the insignae?) and 8,35 cm Flak (t) guns from surrounding units incl. HKAA 1252 along with their crews.
Emmanuel
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
The Cossack troops , on the BaMa Picture's, were mostly placed in Cossack regiment .
The Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-299-1826 and 1827 are Cossack troops with the special tank shield .
Regards Jos
The Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-299-1826 and 1827 are Cossack troops with the special tank shield .
Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Jos,
Do we know if the personnel of Ost-Art.Abt. 621 were Cossack and wore this insignia? I originally worked on the assumption from an article in Mag 39/45 that the BA pictures showed soldiers from Ost-Art.Abt. 621 in the Pays-de-Caux (Haute-Normandie). But maybe it's incorrect then.
Emmanuel
Do we know if the personnel of Ost-Art.Abt. 621 were Cossack and wore this insignia? I originally worked on the assumption from an article in Mag 39/45 that the BA pictures showed soldiers from Ost-Art.Abt. 621 in the Pays-de-Caux (Haute-Normandie). But maybe it's incorrect then.
Emmanuel
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Could be Emmanuel, I will try to search for some more information on the Cossack and Ost-Art.Abt 621 ( Schrader )
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
hello,
I think it is not the right topic,but I find this foto. I think the 8.8 flak taken the aera le havre ?? what do you think ?I seem to recognize the deck of tancarville channel.
the caption of picture wirte "trouville sur mer" !
regards
Me belfra-team
I think it is not the right topic,but I find this foto. I think the 8.8 flak taken the aera le havre ?? what do you think ?I seem to recognize the deck of tancarville channel.
the caption of picture wirte "trouville sur mer" !
regards
Me belfra-team
Re: Battr. Wildelau ( Le Havre )
Here are some interesting information regarding the creation of this battery found in the KTB of 81 AK dated June 17, 1944.
We can learn that the battery was created as a 4th battery of Ost-Art.Abt. 621 and took over 4 x 8,8 cm Flak guns from 4./AR 184 (84 ID).
In parallel, the text mentions the creation of another 8.8 cm Flak battery in the 245 ID as a 13./AR 245 armed with 4 x 8.8 cm Flak from 5./AR 184 (84 ID).
Emmanuel
We can learn that the battery was created as a 4th battery of Ost-Art.Abt. 621 and took over 4 x 8,8 cm Flak guns from 4./AR 184 (84 ID).
In parallel, the text mentions the creation of another 8.8 cm Flak battery in the 245 ID as a 13./AR 245 armed with 4 x 8.8 cm Flak from 5./AR 184 (84 ID).
Emmanuel