Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Forum Members,
In the documents of a Ortskommandant I found some remarks on a Festungskabelzug.
Does anyone know what the original tasks of a Festungskabelzug were,
Is there a orbat/structure of a Festungs-Pionier abteilung where this Festungskabelzug and a Festungsnachrichtenstab is mentioned?
One could assume a connection with signals/communication but these men were used for technical guidance in the construction of "splitterboxen" in the last months of the war.
With kind regards from Holland,
Leo
In the documents of a Ortskommandant I found some remarks on a Festungskabelzug.
Does anyone know what the original tasks of a Festungskabelzug were,
Is there a orbat/structure of a Festungs-Pionier abteilung where this Festungskabelzug and a Festungsnachrichtenstab is mentioned?
One could assume a connection with signals/communication but these men were used for technical guidance in the construction of "splitterboxen" in the last months of the war.
With kind regards from Holland,
Leo
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Leo, I do not know the link between the Fest.Pi. kabelzug and the work on splitterboxen.
But you must understand that in the last months everybody was needed everywhere.
In the last half year of the war there were a lot of transfers of units from one place to another.
JK
But you must understand that in the last months everybody was needed everywhere.
In the last half year of the war there were a lot of transfers of units from one place to another.
JK
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
JKernwerk,
Thnx for the reply and I totally agree with the situation in the last months, if you had a Pionier badge you had to act as a pionier, regardless if you are originally from a kabelzug. But what was the task of a Kabelzug? (organisation scheme ?)
Leo
Thnx for the reply and I totally agree with the situation in the last months, if you had a Pionier badge you had to act as a pionier, regardless if you are originally from a kabelzug. But what was the task of a Kabelzug? (organisation scheme ?)
Leo
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
A Kabelzug was responsible to maintain the communicationlines between units.
Normally these units were stationed more to the coast (that is where the Festungs Pioniere were mostly located).
But i do not know if these units were only stationed in the coastal KVA's (parts of the coast defended by a division -this goes for Holland-).
Could be that it is a unit that came from France or Belgium, when units pulled back they passed Holland and possibly these units just stayed there.
But just keep in mind, there are many ifs and could be's in this story, but it could be an explanation how they got there.
JK
Normally these units were stationed more to the coast (that is where the Festungs Pioniere were mostly located).
But i do not know if these units were only stationed in the coastal KVA's (parts of the coast defended by a division -this goes for Holland-).
Could be that it is a unit that came from France or Belgium, when units pulled back they passed Holland and possibly these units just stayed there.
But just keep in mind, there are many ifs and could be's in this story, but it could be an explanation how they got there.
JK
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Jkernwerk,
The Festungskabelzug and Festungsnachrichtenstab were basic/standard elements of a Festung?
That would explain a lot, I assumed a connection with festungspioniere but that's not correct.
Thnx Kernwerk!
The Festungskabelzug and Festungsnachrichtenstab were basic/standard elements of a Festung?
That would explain a lot, I assumed a connection with festungspioniere but that's not correct.
Thnx Kernwerk!
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
I think every Festung (and other Stp.gr., Vert.Ber. or Festung) had it's own zug to maitain the communicationlines as good as they could.
But it could also be they were used in more than one resistance group, but i believe they were stationed in Gef.Std., bigger Wn of Stp. or near a connectionpoint of telephonelines.
JK
But it could also be they were used in more than one resistance group, but i believe they were stationed in Gef.Std., bigger Wn of Stp. or near a connectionpoint of telephonelines.
JK
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Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Festungskabelzug in this case is not related to a Festung, but to the Festungspioniere.
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Interesting!
Do you have a unit structure or something else that shows if this Kabelzug was part of Fest.Pi.St. or other Fest.Pi. unit?
What was the task of this zug?
Do you have a unit structure or something else that shows if this Kabelzug was part of Fest.Pi.St. or other Fest.Pi. unit?
What was the task of this zug?
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Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
I'm sorry, not Festungspioniere but subordinate to the Nachrichten Abteilung of a division.
A Kriegsstärkenachweisungen for a Zug can be found in NARA roll T78, roll 392
Sammelband 7.
886 Festungsfernkabelzug 1.2.1944
887 Festungskabelschaltzug 1.12.1942
889 Festungskabelzug 1.2.1944
A Kriegsstärkenachweisungen for a Zug can be found in NARA roll T78, roll 392
Sammelband 7.
886 Festungsfernkabelzug 1.2.1944
887 Festungskabelschaltzug 1.12.1942
889 Festungskabelzug 1.2.1944
Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Thnx for the reference AvB!
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Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Found some more in the Gliedering of the 88 AK (4/10/1943). (NARA T-314 Roll 1618)
The Fest Nach Stab 3 was subordinated directly to Gen.Kdo. LXXXVIII. AK.
The Fest Nach Stab 3 was subordinated directly to Gen.Kdo. LXXXVIII. AK.
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Re: Festungskabelzug 2/21 ?
Intersting. A zug could also be placed more inland because of the Fern melde Netz. This run from Zeppelin to large parts of Netherlands, belgium France etc. On the coat you have a combi of this and the festungnetz. Gr. Ben