(Wn/Stp) von Manstein: which radar fits the description (De Panne)

[myt1prod]

Hello

Whilst browsing trought some older documents I have, I noticed a mentioning which I didn't give much notice before:

A local resistance report (although not always a reliable source...) states that in there was a 'listeningpost' in the (Wn/Stp?) von Manstein (De Panne, Belgium, in between Stp von Schlieffen and Stp von Rundstedt/PONY).

the mentioning states: (translation from Dutch)
"" Here stands a listeningpost. (framework) trapeziumshaped.
large base approx 5m, small base approx. 3m
height approx 6m, facing towards sea, manned by 'WL'-soldiers""

this gives these results:

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the statement doesn't mention if it had a tilted and/or slanted design... but in the case off a slanted design I would/could look like this:

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... very similar to the Freya Fahrstühl I would say... can anyone confirm these measurements (by approch/based on observation)?
There are many claims that a Fahrstühl was standing somewhere in De Panne... but if I understand correctly no proof of it's location ever showed up... so possibly this description could lead too finally confirming it's existance and pinpointing it's location.

Also mentioned in the same document is that two seperated buildings in service of the 'listeningstation' where laying in a straight line (land inwards) behind it...

Greetz
Jean

[SES]

Hi,
A Fahrstuhl was about 20 m high.
bregds
SES

[nordfriese]

Also mentioned in the same document is that two seperated buildings in service of the 'listeningstation' where laying in a straight line (land inwards) behind it...

Hi!

I know it was actually for the NNE/SSW runway.
A kind of beam approach system for airfield Koksijde?
Just an idea...

Best wishes
Rolf

[SES]

Hi,
These are the sort of antennas which were used in connection with approach aids:
http://www.gyges.dk/fliegerhorst_grove9.htm
bregds
SES

[ErwinZ]

Jean can you post the full Dutch text?

[myt1prod]

Thanks for your help this far... but I guess we have to keep the possibillity open that it is in fact a 'real' radar rather then a guidance system... due to this small detail;

As requested by ErwinZ, I combined the sections in this document which speak off the location Von Manstein and its 'listeningapparatus' , not to created any confusion because the document speaks off different locations.
before I said "listeningpost" but I have to correct... the document actually says "luisterapparaat" = "listeningapparatus"
The document mentions several 'luisterapparaat'... all other 'luisterapparaat' mentioned in the document indicate actual radarinstallations in De Panne which have been confirmed by research.

documents: Service Marc

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greetz jean

[ErwinZ]

Was hoping that the Dutch text had some hidden clues. But it is targeted at sea and manned by Luftwaffe personal.
I'll look through my documents and see if I can find anything on a trapezium formed structure.

[myt1prod]

thanks ahead Erwin2

[myt1prod]

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In case this concerns a guidance system... I guess it would be laying in a straight line with the landingstrip?? I'm no specialist, but this would seem logic to me, ... as the stronghold Von Manstein is not laying in line I guess we have to search for a matching radar system?

[myt1prod]

... Perhaps it has something to do with this;
(something which popped to mind whilst looking from a Google-earth point of view)

Local sources claim that a cable was dug under by the Germans in a straight line with the 'Veurnestraat' leading towards the sea, straight trought the dunes (could also have meant: Germans tapping in on an already existing cable), a cable which stood in connection with the still existing SK communications bunker inside the Wn Hierl (not 'kerkepanne' as mentioned in this topic: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... kerkepanne )... when you draw this line, it leads directly to the location of the stronghold Von Manstein where this 'listeningapparatus' (possibly radar) was standing...

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