Sommerbauprogram AOK 7

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Sommerbauprogram AOK 7

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Post by jopaerya » 22 May 2015, 10:54

Beside the normal gun bunkers some nice examples of planned bunkers

Railway tunnel for the E 722
M.K.B. Greville
"Panzerdrehschartenversuchstande"
W.P.G. Donau for Heeres Küsten batteries
St bunker for Lichtsprechgerat

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Re: Sommerbauprogram AOK 7

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Post by Manuferey » 22 May 2015, 16:48

Interesting documents ! Thank you for posting, Jos.

Any idea what a "Tunnelbau" would mean for E.722? A Dombunker for railway guns like in the Calais area?

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Post by jopaerya » 22 May 2015, 20:01

Sounds logical , AFAIK there was no rocky terrain at the site of E 722 .

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Post by Manuferey » 31 May 2015, 17:48

Jos,

I think that the "tunnelbau" could have actually been a real tunnel . :idea: Construction of a tunnel had already started indeed in 1944 near the former railroad tracks at Anse du Poulet, west of Anse du Brick and had achieved a small tunnel by June 44. These are the railroad tracks on which MKB Gneisenau travelled when it was positioned near Cherbourg at different times in WW2. The two entrances of the small tunnel are still visible today.

The purpose of this tunnel seems to have been controversial until today: ammunition storage, bunker network, etc. !
See http://www.atlantikwall.org.uk/ainse_du_poulet.htm

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One entrance of the tunnel:
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The other entrance:
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Post by jopaerya » 01 Jun 2015, 13:54

It's possible Emmanuel , but for four large railway guns it looks to small .
My personal opinion it's more for two front parts of Schartenstanden ??

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Post by Manuferey » 01 Jun 2015, 23:38

Jos,

I was thinking for only one railway gun at a time for dispersal reason. If you put all four guns in one tunnel and your enemy is able to block both entrances or destroy the tracks on both sides, your all 4-gun unit is doomed. :idea:

But building a bunker on each side and linking them with a small tunnel is definitely easier ! :lol:

The mystery of the tunnel at Anse du Poulet ("Cove of the Chicken" :lol: ) remains then.

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 02 Jun 2015, 20:25

Hello Jos
Very interesting document, thanks for sharing.
I wonder what a Panzerdrehschartenstand is. Sounds like a complicated term for a Panzerdrehturm? Or is there another explanation?

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Re: Sommerbauprogram AOK 7

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Post by TH » 02 Jun 2015, 21:39

Maybe something like the Gogartenstand?

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 03 Jun 2015, 08:58

Yes TH, that was my first thought too. Wonder if there was a Versuchsstelle there?
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Post by jopaerya » 03 Jun 2015, 09:45

That was my impression too , Gogartenstand but were ?
Was there a Versuchsstelle in the sector of the 7 AOK ?

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Re: Sommerbauprogram AOK 7

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Post by Eax-E » 03 Jun 2015, 20:30

Hello,
Panzerdrehschartenversuchstand -> The rotative gun casemate in Gennevilliers ???

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Post by jopaerya » 03 Jun 2015, 20:58

Don't think so , Rommel was 01-04-1944 at Grennevillers , the Drehturm was already poured. Date document 25-04-1944 .

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Post by Eax-E » 03 Jun 2015, 21:30

Indeed not the one of Gennevillers, but the item could match with the german term, couldn't it ?

If yes, what about the unfinished M30X at Cr350 Cap de la Chèvre ? It could also be a track.

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Post by TH » 03 Jun 2015, 22:03

Eax-E wrote:Indeed not the one of Gennevillers, but the item could match with the german term, couldn't it ?
I thought of Waldam as well, but the term Panzer... hints at a steel construction.
According to "Regelbauten der Kriegsmarine", the official term for the revolving concrete cupola is "Stahlbetondrehkuppel".

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Re: Sommerbauprogram AOK 7

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Jun 2015, 13:59

This is from the 15 AOK, date 04-08-1944 , also with tunnels for E batteries .
Please note that beside the railway gun also the train and one or two ammunition wagons
must be placed in the tunnel in A .

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