LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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Post by sage1337 » 02 Aug 2015, 17:55

Hello, I'm looking for information about LeFH 18 howitzer ammunition. I'm interested mostly in shell weight, filler weight and range. Other information is welcome as well, eg. how it fared in comparision with other 105mm howitzers of that time?

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Re: LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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Post by Sheldrake » 02 Aug 2015, 18:23

Much of the information you seek is a few clicks away via any search engine.

The obvious sources for much of this are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10.5_cm_leFH_18
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/HB-7.html

What is your interest?

Why interested in filler weight, rather than , say, probable error in range at a given range and charge or the time into and out of action? Why interested in a comparison with other 105mm howitzers, rather than other field artillery pieces such as the 25 Pdr gun Howitzer which fulfilled a similar role in the British and Commonwealth armies?


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Re: LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 02 Aug 2015, 18:29

Shell Weight
le F H 18
  • F H Gr: 14.81 kg
  • F H Gr FES: 14.81 kg
  • F H Gr 38 FES: 14.81 kg
  • F H Gr 38 Stg FES: 14.81 kg
  • F H Gr 38: 14.64 kg
  • F H Gr 39: 13.48 kg
  • F H Gr Nb FES: 14 kg
  • F H Gr 38 Nb FES: 14.71 kg
  • F H Gr 40 Nb FES: 15.25 kg
  • F H Gr 40 Deut FES: 14.63 kg
  • F H Gr Spr Br: 15.75 kg
  • F H Gr Br: 15.18 kg
  • 10 cm Pzgr: 14 kg
  • 10 cm Gr 39 rot Hl: 11.76 kg
  • 10 cm Gr 39 rot Hl/A FES: 12.3 kg
  • 10 cm Gr 39 rot Hl/B FES: 12.1 kg
  • 10 cm Gr 39 rot Hl/C FES: 12.35 kg
le F H 18 (mit Mündungsbremse)
  • F H Gr F: 14.81 kg
Propellant Weight
When two numbers are given, the first is the Nitrocellulose primer and the second is Diglykol. If only one is givern, it is Diglykol. I haven't included the grain dimensions.

le F H 18
  • Teilkart 1: 20+190 grams
  • Teilkart 2+3: 152 grams
  • Teilkart 4: 137 grams
  • Teilkart 5: 216 grams
  • Sonderkart 6: 20+1045 grams
le F H 18 (mit Mündungsbremse)
  • F Hülsenkart der le F H 18: 20+1810 grams
From D 435/1.

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Re: LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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Post by sage1337 » 28 Aug 2015, 23:14

Sheldrake wrote:Much of the information you seek is a few clicks away via any search engine.

The obvious sources for much of this are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10.5_cm_leFH_18
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/HB-7.html

What is your interest?

Why interested in filler weight, rather than , say, probable error in range at a given range and charge or the time into and out of action? Why interested in a comparison with other 105mm howitzers, rather than other field artillery pieces such as the 25 Pdr gun Howitzer which fulfilled a similar role in the British and Commonwealth armies?
Wikipedia lists only two shells weight, without any information about filler weight. It's the filler that goes boom, not whole shell and I'm interested how effective the shell can be in terms of potential damage.

@Christian Ankerstjerne, thanks, this is exactly what I wanted :)

Sorry for late reply, I was for long time without internet connection.

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Post by Sheldrake » 29 Aug 2015, 00:39

sage1337 wrote:
Sheldrake wrote:Much of the information you seek is a few clicks away via any search engine.

The obvious sources for much of this are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10.5_cm_leFH_18
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/HB-7.html

What is your interest?

Why interested in filler weight, rather than , say, probable error in range at a given range and charge or the time into and out of action? Why interested in a comparison with other 105mm howitzers, rather than other field artillery pieces such as the 25 Pdr gun Howitzer which fulfilled a similar role in the British and Commonwealth armies?
Wikipedia lists only two shells weight, without any information about filler weight. It's the filler that goes boom, not whole shell and I'm interested how effective the shell can be in terms of potential damage.

@Christian Ankerstjerne, thanks, this is exactly what I wanted :)

Sorry for late reply, I was for long time without internet connection.
And the question I asked? Why are you interested?

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Re: LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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Post by sage1337 » 12 Sep 2015, 15:37

Why not? There's no such thing as useless knowledge.

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Post by al'saad » 12 Sep 2015, 21:10

Search for the old US TM9-1985-3 manual, there you will find most of the wanted data about mostly all German used arillery ammo.

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Post by Sheldrake » 12 Sep 2015, 22:49

sage1337 wrote:Why not? There's no such thing as useless knowledge.
Hmm

Firstly the context may help to unlock more information. Secondly, it seems prudent to check that you are not a member of ISIS seeking to source additional ammunition or firing tables for captured equipment ;)

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Post by sage1337 » 15 Sep 2015, 16:13

al'saad wrote:Search for the old US TM9-1985-3 manual, there you will find most of the wanted data about mostly all German used arillery ammo.
This is a goldmine! Thank you very much, it's very informative

@Sheldrake if I was fighting with old equipment, I'd be interesting only in one thing - whether it works or not :) and it seems that german pieces still work well to this day... Great weapons, again in hands of bad guys. History has come full circle once more.

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Post by Grzesio » 15 Sep 2015, 21:29

By the way - does anybody probably know, which German gun used a charge of 383 g Nz.R.P. (135-5,5/2)?
I thought, it could be one of the le FH 18 charges, but it is not, as I see above.
7,5 cm Kw.K., in turn, used a charge of 370 g of these very grains, but it is not the right gun too - the charge bag is not marked with the gun type, so I suspect it is a part of a variable charge.

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Post by Sheldrake » 16 Sep 2015, 00:53

sage1337 wrote: @Sheldrake if I was fighting with old equipment, I'd be interesting only in one thing - whether it works or not :) and it seems that german pieces still work well to this day... Great weapons, again in hands of bad guys. History has come full circle once more.
Side stepping the question. Bluff. It isn't a question of whether the LeFH18 works - it does. The key questions are those I posed. Do you have the firing tables and ammunition supply? ou are dasah-age1337 and I will pass your co-ordinates to my chums with drones....
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Re: LeFH 18 10,5cm howitzer ammunition info

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Post by michaelangelo » 21 Dec 2015, 20:33

Does anyone have a copy of the firing tables for the Le 10.5cm FH 18. I have the s tables but would prefer to have the le tables.

Michaelangelo

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