15 cm S.K.C/28 i. Dreh.L.C.34

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 12 Oct 2006, 17:51

No clue , but :

Absolutly great find , Jos !

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Post by lcw » 13 Oct 2006, 14:22

Hallo,

I have understood that the heights of the shafts for the Gneisenau and Graf Zeppelin
turrets are not equal. See Whitley's Deutsche Grosskampfschiffe and other
construction details.
See also Rolf's Typology pages 282 and 283 for finding back that difference in the
bunkers designed for housing the various 15 cm turrets.

That's why I concluded on Bunkersite that Fanö must have had Graf Zeppelin turrets
or at least her shafts. A high Gneisenau type shaft does not fitt into a M 184.

ps:
Graf Spee rests in Montevideo, including her 8 x 15 cm guns (no turrets).

Anyone ?

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Post by stril » 13 Oct 2006, 16:55

Hello
Im one of those who doesnt get things straight away, but need to be fed, piece by piece.
That's why I concluded on Bunkersite that Fanö must have had Graf Zeppelin turrets
or at least her shafts. A high Gneisenau type shaft does not fitt into a M 184.
All other information suggests, and write that it was guns from Gneisenau at Fanø, later to be placed at Stevnsfort.
The story at http://www.stevnsfortet.dk/pdf/stevnsfort_twi.pdf mention it also as a turret from Gneisenau.

The next piece of information i would like to see coming from you is how you came to your conclusion.
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ps:
Graf Spee rests in Montevideo, including her 8 x 15 cm guns (no turrets).

I think all realized the intention of the writer, but thank you for making it clear.

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Post by lcw » 13 Oct 2006, 17:48

My line of thinking:
- Gneisenau: 15 cm L/55 C/28 in Dreh Lafette C/34.
By taking the construction plans I have calculated the
height of the shaft, the column on which the turret rotates.
This is approx 6 m.
- Graf Zeppelin: 15 cm L/55 C/28 in Doppel MPL C/36.
Here I have calculated the height of this shaft at approx 4,5 m.

I think that Fanö has M 184 bunkers and the plan of that type
(Rolf) shows that a Gneisenau turret of 6 m high will not fitt.

This is what I have figured out and what I wanted to contribute
and share on this forum.
Perhaps something is wrong is this line of thinking, please
tell me what.

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Post by stril » 13 Oct 2006, 18:30

Hello Again
Thank you for your reply.
Now i get it(im slow :D ).
Perhaps not the same, but the shaft of the other turrets from Gneisenau isnt equal either.
The shaft at Fjell and Austrått differ in size. It would be interesting to know if all 15 cm turrets/shafts from Gneisenau was equal.
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Post by jopaerya » 13 Oct 2006, 20:51

Hello Stril and Lenco

The turret of the Graf Zeppelin are not the same as the turrets
of the Gneisenau they are not a complete with armour plating
and don't have ammo lifts, please see the photo's of Erik E.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 45&start=0
The Gneisenau 15 cm turrets have a long shaft like Zaandijk
and probably Petsamo , the turrets from Fano have a short
shaft possibly the same as Zenker and Lüderlitz .
So I think we have a problem were did the guns from Fano
came from ???

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Post by lcw » 13 Oct 2006, 21:58

Hallo,

It is a wild guess ..
Gneisenau was to be fitted out with 38 cm.
This change was pretty fierce. I have a plan of how the ship
would look like after this upgrade.
I may be wrong, but it looks if those 15 cm turrets stand
somewhat lower.
Has anyone more info on the Gneisenau, version 38 cm ?
So perhaps, Fanö had Gneisenau turrets, however the never
placed new ones.

If not, then we have to look for an other ship that had the lower
turrets planned.
-- battleship H, high shafts,
-- cruiser P, high shafts, can not tell for sure for the aft turret,
-- pocket battleship O, high shafts.
Or a ship (cruiser?) that lost its turrets during the war ?

Together we might be abe to crack this problem.

Lenco,

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Oct 2006, 10:38

Hi

In a German report 10-05-1944 from the Skl IV

Petsamo
1 turret in transport
1 turret at Rh ( Rheinmetall ? ) Düsseldorf

Zaandijk ( Zanddijk/Falga )
2 turrets in KMA Gotenhafen ( hull Gneisenau in Gotenhafen )

Graadyb
2 turrets at Rh ( Rheinmetall ) Düsseldorf

( all info in clams in myone )

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Oct 2006, 12:41

Hi Lenco

Are you sure about the high shaft in the O Class pocket battleships , because
this site said that the turrets from the projected O Class ships were used in the
Zerstörer 1936 , in my opinion these ships are to small to take the high shaft ??
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ ... index.html
This could be the explanation for the small shaft ?????

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Post by jopaerya » 13 Aug 2007, 14:19

Hello All

Here some more photo's of the turretbatterie at Petsamo ( Russia )
http://www.fortification.ru/forum/index ... 416&page=0

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Post by stril » 17 Dec 2009, 18:19

Hello
Found some papers and remebered this tread. Perhaps this can help in this matter ?
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Post by jopaerya » 17 Dec 2009, 19:33

Hi Stril

I love your ducuments , as allways very interesting . Is the date written with pensel the right date ??

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Post by stril » 17 Dec 2009, 20:29

Is the date written with pensel the right date ??
Yes, its the date on the letter sendt from OKM to MOK Norwegen.
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Post by Manuferey » 18 Dec 2009, 00:57

I cannot find any 15 cm SK C/28 nor any twin turrets as part of MAA 266 in Le Havre. So, it would mean that the turrets never made it to Le Havre. But was there a battery location being readying for them ?

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Post by stril » 18 Dec 2009, 12:16

Hello
As mentioned by lcw there is a difference in the shafts. I dont know much about this, but if these 3 turrtes was sendt to Petsamo, Scheveningen and ?, it can explain the differences.
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