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Fake gunsights?

Postby zaraza on 15 Jun 2012 10:29

I have heard a story that Germany had few people whom their beliefs didn't allow to shot at the enemy. Allegedly, Mauser produced few rifles with fake gunsights which didn't allow shooter to see the target properly and to cause miss. This sound very impossible to me, but i wanted to check for any info on this.

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Re: Fake gunsights?

Postby Trackhead M2 on 15 Jun 2012 21:45

zaraza wrote:I have heard a story that Germany had few people whom their beliefs didn't allow to shot at the enemy. Allegedly, Mauser produced few rifles with fake gunsights which didn't allow shooter to see the target properly and to cause miss. This sound very impossible to me, but i wanted to check for any info on this.

Dear z,
Was the story teller imbibing a fermented beverage while telling the story? The NAZIs ususally took folks who wouldn't shoot at the enemies of the Reich and gave them an all expense paid trip to Dachau.
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Re: Fake gunsights?

Postby zaraza on 15 Jun 2012 23:11

:):)
I'm aware of that, and that this story sounds ridiculous, but i wanted to check it anyway.

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Postby Trackhead M2 on 16 Jun 2012 17:05

zaraza wrote::):)
I'm aware of that, and that this story sounds ridiculous, but i wanted to check it anyway.

Dear z,
I'm not trying to cause you grief. It is just such a fantastic story. Do you recall your original source? If you do all forum members can apply their resources to assist. Those who had issues with killing the enemy in the USA often wound up serving in medical units, even as Combat Aidmen.
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Re: Fake gunsights?

Postby waldzee on 16 Jun 2012 17:35

Trackhead M2 wrote:
zaraza wrote::):)
I'm aware of that, and that this story sounds ridiculous, but i wanted to check it anyway.

Dear z,
I'm not trying to cause you grief. It is just such a fantastic story. Do you recall your original source? If you do all forum members can apply their resources to assist. Those who had issues with killing the enemy in the USA often wound up serving in medical units, even as Combat Aidmen.
Strike Swiftly,
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or flying in "The Champagne Unit of the Texas Air National Guard" - in the words that got Dan Rather fired from CBS. :D

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Re: Fake gunsights?

Postby Trackhead M2 on 16 Jun 2012 18:01

waldzee wrote:
Trackhead M2 wrote:
zaraza wrote::):)
or flying in "The Champagne Unit of the Texas Air National Guard" - in the words that got Dan Rather fired from CBS. :D

Dear w,
Chicago's recently retired mayor did a similar thing as a USMC reservist in the 1960's. Would that be the "Bratwurst Devil Dog" Marines?
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Postby waldzee on 16 Jun 2012 19:01

During WWII Canadian Army conscripts were not required to serve overseas, defined as ( not outside North America.).
Which means, Caribean, Newfoundland, Yukon , right?
they ended up on Kiska island…shooting at each other in the dense fog…
four dead, 46 wounded...

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Postby Trackhead M2 on 16 Jun 2012 19:07

waldzee wrote:During WWII Canadian Army conscripts were not required to serve overseas, defined as ( not outside North America.).
Which means, Caribean, Newfoundland, Yukon , right?
they ended up on Kiska island…shooting at each other in the dense fog…
four dead, 46 wounded...

Dear w,
My condolences to the families of those lost in the Aleutians. I was under the impression you were speaking of the abuse of reserve duty by the sons of powerful connected American familes during the Vietnam War.
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sorry- I was woolgathering!

Postby waldzee on 16 Jun 2012 20:01

Trackhead M2 wrote:
waldzee wrote:During WWII Canadian Army conscripts were not required to serve overseas, defined as ( not outside North America.).
Which means, Caribean, Newfoundland, Yukon , right?
they ended up on Kiska island…shooting at each other in the dense fog…
four dead, 46 wounded...

Dear w,
My condolences to the families of those lost in the Aleutians. I was under the impression you were speaking of the abuse of reserve duty by the sons of powerful connected American familes during the Vietnam War.
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Canadian participation in the joint operation in the Aleutians was actually pretty far sighted. General George Pearkes foresaw the need for combined forces training & battle hardened troops before landing in Europe.

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Re: Fake gunsights?

Postby zaraza on 16 Jun 2012 21:53

Trackhead M2 wrote:Dear z,
I'm not trying to cause you grief. It is just such a fantastic story. Do you recall your original source? If you do all forum members can apply their resources to assist. Those who had issues with killing the enemy in the USA often wound up serving in medical units, even as Combat Aidmen.
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Unfortunately, i don't have any clues - that's why i asked here. Story teller claims he read it in "The Book". What book? He can't remember.
I do know that there were some "conscientious objectors" with allied forces, and that they worked without weapons on different jobs. Like i said, this sound ridiculous...Having somebody that shoots to miss is not useless but dangerous for his squad mates.

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