List of Bolt-Action Rifles Used by Germany

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Postby Logan Hartke » 30 Nov 2002 06:15

Okay, guys, this is our rough draft. I want to try to get the Fremdgerät numbers for the ones that we lack and more info on others, then, we'll have it. I don't normally use color, but I need to here to help us highlight the trouble spots.

Let's use these standard abbreviations for ease of communication.
Full-Length Rifle - Gewehr = Gew.
Carbine - Karabiner = Kar.

German-manufactured rifles

Gew.98 (full-length rifles from WWI)
Gew.98 "1904" (basically the normal Gew.98, but incorporating the third/safety lug turning down into the action behind the magazine well)
Kar.98a (Kar.98 AZ)
Kar.98b (slightly modified Gew.98 retained after WWI ad then used in WWII, often bearing "1920" or "1921" to show that they had been inventoried by the Inter-Allied Military Control Commission in accordance with the Versailles Treaty)
Kar.98k (a shorter Kar.98b adopted in 1935 and remained the standard until the end of the war)
Kar.98 "Kriegsmodell" (during the war, standards of production fell, and so these are sometimes referred to separately)
Gebirgsjäger-Kar.98k (mountain soldier's version)
Fallschirmjäger-Kar. 98k (paratrooper's version)
Zf-Kar.98k (sniper's version with scope)
Volkskarabiner 98 (VK.98 - "People's Rifle" - VERY cheap Kar.98 made at the end of the war)
VG1 (Volksturmgewehr 1 - charlie, are you sure that this is bolt-action?)
VG2 (Volksturmgewehr 2)

Foreign-built and/or captured rifles

Belgian -
Gew.261(b) (Mle 89)
Gew.262(b) (Mle 35)
Gew.263(b) (Mle 89/36)

French-
Gew.241(f) (Mle 07/15 M 34 Berthier)
Gew.301(f) (Mle 86/93 Lebel)
Gew.303(f) (Mle 86/93 R35 Lebel)
Gew.304(f) (Mle 16 Berthier)
Gew.361(f) (Mle 74 Gras)
Kar.552(f) (Mle 90 Berthier carbine)
Kar.553(f) (Mle 92/16 Berthier carbine)
Kar.561(f) (Mle 74 Gras carbine)
MAS36 rifle (Fremdgerät number?)

Dutch-
M1917 rifle (Fremdgerät number? - can anyone provide more info for this? - is this the American made M1917?)

Norwegian-
Gew.214(n) (Krag-Jorgensen M/1894)

Soviet-
Gew.252(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1891/30g infantry version)
Gew.253(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1891/30g dragoon version)
Gew.254(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1891/30g cossack version)
Kar.453(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1910g carbine)
Kar.454(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1938g carbine)
obr.1871g Berdan (Fremdgerät number?)

Austrian-
Gew.29/40(ö) (Austrian M1929 Mauser, primarily given to the Luftwaffe)
Gew.25(ö) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
Gew.98(ö) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
M95 rifle (Fremdgerät number?)
M95/34 carbine (Fremdgerät number?)


Czechoslovakian-
Gew.94(t) (Kar.98k and Kar.98b-like rifles including the vz.24, vz.24/30, vz.98/22, and vz.98/29)
Gew.33/40 (vz.33)
Gew.16/33, Gew.33(t) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
Gew.248(t) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
Gew.29/40 (can anyone provide more info for this?)

Polish-
wz.98 (similar to the Kar.98 AZ/Kar.98b - Fremdgerät number?)
wz.29 (similar to the Czech vz.24 - Fremdgerät number?)
wz.25 or wz.91/98.25 (basically a shortened ex-Russian obr.1891g Mosin-Nagant firing the 7.9mm cartridge - Fremdgerät number?)

Hungarian-
Gew.98/40 (based on the Model 35.M Mannlicher)
Gew.211(h) (Mannlicher)
Kar.413(h) (O.M. and M.N. No.3 carbine)

British-
Gew.281(e) (Lee-Enflield 0.303 No 1 Mark III)
Lee-Enfield (SMLE) No 4 Mark I (Fremdgerät number?)
Lee-Enfield (SMLE) No 5 Mark I (Fremdgerät number?)
Enfield No 2 Mark 1 (Pattern '14) (Fremdgerät number?)
De Lisle carbine (Fremdgerät number?)

Italian-
Mannlicher-Carcano TS Carbine M1891 (Fremdgerät number?)
Mannlicher-Carcano M1938 (Fremdgerät number?)

American-
M1903 Springfield (Fremdgerät number?)
M1917 Enfield (Pattern '17) (Fremdgerät number?)

Let's get these questions answered and this list polished so that we can move on to semi-automatic rifles and assualt rifles.

Logan Hartke

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Postby wolfen » 30 Nov 2002 23:38

Gew.88 and the Gew.71/84 were used buy the Volksturm.

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Postby Daniel L » 01 Dec 2002 01:29

VG1 (Volksturmgewehr 1 - charlie, are you sure that this is bolt-action?)


Yes I am.

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Postby Logan Hartke » 01 Dec 2002 02:16

Okay.

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Postby Daniel L » 01 Dec 2002 02:31

By the way, there's a picture of it in Terry Gander's book... :D

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Postby wolfen » 02 Dec 2002 06:10

Gew.98 "1904" (basically the normal Gew.98, but incorporating the third/safety lug turning down into the action behind the magazine well)


I don't think this is right. The only modifiction I could find made in 1904 was the conversion from .318" to the .323" bore diameter for the new 7.92x57JS round and recalibrating the sights (actually this started in 1903 but wasn't finished till 1905). The third locking lug was part of the Model 98 action from the start according everything I ever read about it. :)

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List of bolt-action rifles used by Germany

Postby Antonio Pena » 02 Dec 2002 23:58

This is my own list:
German /captured with Fremdegerät number
G-98
G-221/223 (Jugoslavians) War reparations after WWI
G-299 or 98 (Polish) idem

K-98a
K-492 (Jugoslavian) War reparations after WWI
K-493 (Polish) idem

K-98b

K98k
Gewehr 24 (Czech) build under licence
Gew 29/40 (Austrian)
Gew 262 (Belgian)
Gew 289 (Polish)
Gew 290/298 (Jugoslavian) build under licence

Gewehr 98/40 (original 8 mm Huzagol 35M from Hungary)

Gewehr 33/40 (manufactured in CZ Brno or Waffenfäbrik Brno)

VG 1 (Volksturgewehr 1)

Volksturmkarabiner 98

VG 2

Gewehr 98 (ö) (Austrian Repetier Gewehr 1895 in 8 mm)

Gewehr 306 (Greek, Italian or jugoslavian G-98)
Gewehr 294 (ex G-98 recalibrated by the jugoslavians to 7.9)

Gewehr 33 (Musketon vz 16/33 the standard Czech Army carbine)

Gewehr 209 (Italian Fucille modelo 38 in 6.5 mm)

Gewehr 210 (Italian Fucille modelo 41 in 6.5 mm)

Gewehr 211 (Dutch Geweer M95 Manlicher in 6.5 mm)

Gewehr 214 (Italian Fucille modelo 91 in 6.5 mm)

Gewehr 215 (Greek mannlicher-Schönauer Model 03/14 in 6.5 mm)

Gewehr 231 (Italian Fucille modelo 38 in 7.35 mm)

Gewehr 241 (French model 07-15 M34 in 7.5 mm)

Gewehr 242 (French MAS-36 in 7.5 mm)

Gewehr 249 (American Springfield M 03 in 7.62)

Gewehr 252 (Russian Mosin M-91 in 7.62 and Jugoslavian Puska M91R)

Gewehr 254 (Russian Mosin M-91/30 in 7.62)

Gewehr 256 (Russian Mosin M-91/30 in 7.62 with 3.5 telescope)

Gewehr 261 (Belgian Fusil 1889 Mauser in 7.65 mm)

Gewehr 263 (Belgian Fusil 36 Mauser in 7.65 mm)

Gewehr 281 (British Rifle Nº 1 Mk III in 7.7 mm)

Gewehr 301 (French model 1886 transforme 1893 in 8 mm)

Gewehr 302 (French model 1907 transforme 1915 in 8 mm)

Gewehr 303 (French model 1886 racroche 1935 in 8 mm)

Gewehr 304 (French model 1916 in 8 mm)

Gewehr 305 (French model 1907 dit colonial in 8 mm)

Gewehr 307 (Jugoslavian Puska 8 mm M93)

Gewehr 311 (Danish Gevaer m/89-10 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 408 (Italian Moschetto modello 38 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 409 (Italian Moschetto modello 91 for cavalry in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 410 (Italian Moschetto m 91 for technical troops in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 411 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 1 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 412 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 1 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 413 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 3 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 414 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 4 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 411(n) (Norwegian Kavalerikarabin m/1894 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 412(n) (Norwegian Kavalerikarabin m/1895 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 413(n) (Norwegian Ingenieorkarabin m/1904 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 414(n) (Norwegian Artillerikarabin m/1907 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 415 (Norwegian Karabin m/1912 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 416 (Italian moschetto modello 91/24 in 6.5 mm)

Karabiner 430 (Italian moschetto modello 38 in 7.35 mm)

Karabiner 451 (Belgian Carabine 1889 in 7.65 mm)

Karabiner 453 (Belgian Carabine 1916 in 7.65 mm)

Karabiner 454 (Russian Karabin obr 1938 g in 7.62 mm)

Karabiner 457 (Russian Karabin obr 1944 g in 7.62 mm)

Karabiner 497 (Polish Karabinek 91/98/25 in 7.92 mm [ex Mosin])

Karabiner 506/1 (Danish Fodfolkskarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 506/2 (Danish Artilleriekarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 506/3 (Danish Ingeniorkarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 506/1 (Danish Rytterkarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 551 (French model 1890 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 552 (French model 1892 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 553 (French model 1916 in 8 mm)

Stützen 95 (ö) (Austrian Repetier-Stützen-Gewehr m-1895 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 494 (Greek S-95)

Karabiner 505 (Italian or jugoslavian S-95)

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Postby wolfen » 04 Dec 2002 23:13

Gew.29/40 (can anyone provide more info for this ?)


Here is what I have found out about this rifle:

These were maked "G29/40" on the left side rail by Steyr with their code "660" and year found on the receiver ring. Those with with Polish markings will have the "wz" struck out and a "G" placed ahead of it and a "/40" added. The "660" will still be on the receiver ring with the Polish eagle crest "FB" "RADOM" and year of manufacture below it in that order.


These ones were assembled at Steyr using parts captured in Poland (receivers, trigger guards, etc.) and parts made by Steyr (barrels, barrel bands etc.). Only a small portion were reworked complete wz.29 rifles.

There was also a second version so to speak(but not really), these ones have no Polish markings and are assembled entirly from Steyr made parts.

All Gew.29/40 rifles were made, assembled, or reconfigured by Steyr. They all have the "660" Steyr factory code on the receiver.

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Postby Marcus Wendel » 11 Dec 2002 18:04

Antonio,

Thanks for sharing that list.

/Marcus

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Postby Dan Reinbold » 11 Dec 2002 23:01

I don't know if it has been mentioned above but there was also the "Mountain" version of the K98.....7.92mm Gewehr 33/40

Thanks for that list...fascinating!

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List of bolt action rifles used by Germany

Postby Antonio Pena » 11 Dec 2002 23:42

Maybe this is not the place but I do`'t want to start a new topic.
Anyone knows where we can look for the lis of all Fremdegerät numbers?
Is very tired search for them when any (as in this topic) tries to know and of course I think that my list could be completed. After we can made a complete list of the equipment used by Germany, now we have the submachine Guns and the bolt action rifles, next......

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Postby hitekrednek » 14 Dec 2002 05:50

There is an O.S.S. account of S.S. guards in Belgium "armed with obsolete 1888 model rifles". Gew88s were (are) so common it would not surprise me to find a photo them of in rear echelon S.S. service.

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Postby kfbr392 » 07 Jan 2011 19:07

Logan Hartke wrote:German-manufactured rifles

Gew.98 (full-length rifles from WWI)
Gew.98 "1904" (basically the normal Gew.98, but incorporating the third/safety lug turning down into the action behind the magazine well)
Kar.98a (Kar.98 AZ)
Kar.98b (slightly modified Gew.98 retained after WWI ad then used in WWII, often bearing "1920" or "1921" to show that they had been inventoried by the Inter-Allied Military Control Commission in accordance with the Versailles Treaty)
Kar.98k (a shorter Kar.98b adopted in 1935 and remained the standard until the end of the war)
Kar.98 "Kriegsmodell" (during the war, standards of production fell, and so these are sometimes referred to separately)
Gebirgsjäger-Kar.98k (mountain soldier's version)
Fallschirmjäger-Kar. 98k (paratrooper's version)
Zf-Kar.98k (sniper's version with scope)
Volkskarabiner 98 (VK.98 - "People's Rifle" - VERY cheap Kar.98 made at the end of the war)
VG1 (Volksturmgewehr 1 - charlie, are you sure that this is bolt-action?)
VG2 (Volksturmgewehr 2)

Foreign-built and/or captured rifles

Belgian -
Gew.261(b) (Mle 89)
Gew.262(b) (Mle 35)
Gew.263(b) (Mle 89/36)

French-
Gew.241(f) (Mle 07/15 M 34 Berthier)
Gew.301(f) (Mle 86/93 Lebel)
Gew.303(f) (Mle 86/93 R35 Lebel)
Gew.304(f) (Mle 16 Berthier)
Gew.361(f) (Mle 74 Gras)
Kar.552(f) (Mle 90 Berthier carbine)
Kar.553(f) (Mle 92/16 Berthier carbine)
Kar.561(f) (Mle 74 Gras carbine)
MAS36 rifle (Fremdgerät number?)

Dutch-
M1917 rifle (Fremdgerät number? - can anyone provide more info for this? - is this the American made M1917?)

Norwegian-
Gew.214(n) (Krag-Jorgensen M/1894)

Soviet-
Gew.252(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1891/30g infantry version)
Gew.253(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1891/30g dragoon version)
Gew.254(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1891/30g cossack version)
Kar.453(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1910g carbine)
Kar.454(r) (Mosin-Nagant obr.1938g carbine)
obr.1871g Berdan (Fremdgerät number?)

Austrian-
Gew.29/40(ö) (Austrian M1929 Mauser, primarily given to the Luftwaffe)
Gew.25(ö) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
Gew.98(ö) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
M95 rifle (Fremdgerät number?)
M95/34 carbine (Fremdgerät number?)


Czechoslovakian-
Gew.94(t) (Kar.98k and Kar.98b-like rifles including the vz.24, vz.24/30, vz.98/22, and vz.98/29)
Gew.33/40 (vz.33)
Gew.16/33, Gew.33(t) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
Gew.248(t) (can anyone provide more info for this?)
Gew.29/40 (can anyone provide more info for this?)

Polish-
wz.98 (similar to the Kar.98 AZ/Kar.98b - Fremdgerät number?)
wz.29 (similar to the Czech vz.24 - Fremdgerät number?)
wz.25 or wz.91/98.25 (basically a shortened ex-Russian obr.1891g Mosin-Nagant firing the 7.9mm cartridge - Fremdgerät number?)

Hungarian-
Gew.98/40 (based on the Model 35.M Mannlicher)
Gew.211(h) (Mannlicher)
Kar.413(h) (O.M. and M.N. No.3 carbine)

British-
Gew.281(e) (Lee-Enflield 0.303 No 1 Mark III)
Lee-Enfield (SMLE) No 4 Mark I (Fremdgerät number?)
Lee-Enfield (SMLE) No 5 Mark I (Fremdgerät number?)
Enfield No 2 Mark 1 (Pattern '14) (Fremdgerät number?)
De Lisle carbine (Fremdgerät number?)

Italian-
Mannlicher-Carcano TS Carbine M1891 (Fremdgerät number?)
Mannlicher-Carcano M1938 (Fremdgerät number?)

American-
M1903 Springfield (Fremdgerät number?)
M1917 Enfield (Pattern '17) (Fremdgerät number?)

Impressive lists, folks.

Do any of you have the amounts of any of these rifles captured?
How many of which type were captured, stocked, given to German forces etc...?

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Re: List of Bolt-Action Rifles Used by Germany

Postby kfbr392 » 09 Feb 2011 13:51

How about listing some quantities?

For a start:
Czech rifles available to Czech forces on 18.03.39:
Rifles old model: 296600
Rifles mod. 23: 84634
Rifles mod. 24: 529366
(data according to: http://armada.vojenstvi.cz/predvalecna/dokumenty/9.htm )
Some of these rifles were given to Slovakia, and then there was the continued production 1939-45.
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Re: List of Bolt-Action Rifles Used by Germany

Postby Delta Tank » 09 Feb 2011 18:20

To all,

Can you guys give me a couple of good books that I could buy on the Kar 98k? Nice list of rifles!

Mike


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