Luger markings identification - help

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Luger markings identification - help

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Post by Igorak89 » 05 May 2016, 21:24

Please help me with identifying those markings.

My Luger is produced in 1918 but those markings looks like early-Nazi Germany markings (eagle?). Is this possible?

Can someone decipher those markings?
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Post by Poot » 06 May 2016, 07:54

They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter.
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Post by Igorak89 » 06 May 2016, 12:14

Thanks a lot Pat.
It looks like "I" letter, with the crown.

Can you identify that letter?

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Post by Poot » 06 May 2016, 17:38

Hello Igorak89,
I'm sorry, but I can't. Do you have a close-up picture with better resolution, perhaps?
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Post by von thoma » 07 May 2016, 02:26

I think it's a P08 made by DWM ( Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken ).

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Post by Igorak89 » 07 May 2016, 13:07

Poot wrote:Hello Igorak89,
I'm sorry, but I can't. Do you have a close-up picture with better resolution, perhaps?
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Here it is.

I can't read the symbol on the left (with crown above) and the symbol on the right (above the eagle - letters PTV?).
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Post by Igorak89 » 07 May 2016, 13:15

I am interested in the following symbols on the bottom side of the magazine, too.
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Post by Poot » 08 May 2016, 08:12

Igorak89,
Greetings-
I can't read the individual letter under the crown, but it's only an inspection marking. The 'PTV' marking is different and I believe (but am not entirely certain) that it is an abbreviation for 'Polizeischule fur Technik und Verkehr' (Berlin). In 1935 this was changed to 'Technische Polizeischule.'

The floor plate of your magazine has the serial number with letter ('n'?) block, a '+' symbol, and a WaA63 (Mauser-Werke AG, Oberndorf-am-Neckar) stamp, indicating origin of production. I've heard that the '+' symbol indicates the second of two magazines assigned to the same pistol, and was used by the military to distinguish this, whereas the Polizei used a '1' and '2' to distinguish between the first and second assigned magazines. Please don't assume this is certain, as I am a rifle collector and not a handgun collector. My handgun collection is very small and my experience with handguns is through my professional career, and only with very modern handguns.

I used to have a 1918 DWM Luger that was a likely WWI bring-back. It's the only gun I've ever regretted selling!

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Post by Igorak89 » 09 May 2016, 18:58

Thank you very much, Pat.

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Post by dk598 » 16 Aug 2016, 04:12

I agree with Pat on the PTV marking. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. It is described as "Berlin Police Armory Acceptance Stamp.

The crown inspection stamp may possibly be the letter "O" in Fraktur font but not sure if that letter was ever used for inspections.
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