MG45 Machine Gun

[wolfen]

Scott Smith wrote:
The Spanish have a mini MG 42 Squad-automatic-weapon that fires 5.56mm NATO as well.

Not true. Either you can look your gun up, Scott (with text, not just a picture), or I'll tell you why it's not true.

Logan Hartke

It has also proved to be some what lacking in reliability.

[Scott Smith]

The Spanish have a mini MG 42 Squad-automatic-weapon that fires 5.56mm NATO as well. 8)

Not true. Either you can look your gun up, Scott (with text, not just a picture), or I'll tell you why it's not true.

Why don't you look it up for me, Logan. I would be interested.

This is the text and photo from pages 122-123 of German Automatic Weapons of World War II, by Robert Bruce; Windrow & Greene, London (1997), which is available from Amazon to support this very site ONLY by clicking on my link below:

Meanwhile, in Spain, CETME's successor company ENSB has recently fielded a particularly fine little squad automatic weapon version of the MG42. This is the 5.56mm x 45mm (.223 calibre) Ametralladora Ligera "Ameli." Only 38.2ins (970mm) long and weighing just 12.5lbs (5.6kg), this quick-handling mini-machine gun is about half the size and weight of its big brother. Internally and externally similar to the MG42, the Ameli features some soldier-friendly changes. Most obvious is the addition of a combined carrying handle/barrel change lever integrated into a sturdy rear sight assembly; and instead of the Parkerized gunmetal and brown or black Bakelite furniture of the MG42 the Ameli is finished in matt olive green with some black accents here and there.

Use of the higher velocity but lower powered 5.56mm cartridge has provided the greatest opportunity for reduction in overall size and weight. With much less recoil impulse and lower chamber pressure, the mass of the barrel, chamber, bolt, and buffer groups may be proportionally reduced. At the same time, metallurgical advances allow lighter stampings with no loss in safety and durability. Finally, plastics technology has produced remarkably light but strong stocks and grips which are impervious to temperature and climatic extremes. Currently in service with special operations and some line units in Spain and Mexico, the Ameli will probably enjoy good commercial success as it becomes more widely known.

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[Logan Hartke]

Yes Scott, I would still like to argue that with you. Do you mean to say that Robert Bruce knows more about guns than Ian V. Hogg? That's like arguing Russian tanks with Steve J. Zaloga. His book Guns Recognition Guide says...

Although it looks like a scaled-MG42 it is entirely[/i] different in its operation, using the same roller-locked delayed blowback mechanism as the CETME Model L rifle or the Heckler & Koch rifles and machine guns.

Happy? Ian Hogg. He was (died this year) the foremost expert on small arms in the world. Willing to admit that you were wrong now?

Logan Hartke

[Scott Smith]

Yes Scott, I would still like to argue that with you. Do you mean to say that Robert Bruce knows more about guns than Ian V. Hogg? That's like arguing Russian tanks with Steve J. Zaloga. His book Guns Recognition Guide says...

Although it looks like a scaled-MG42 it is entirely different in its operation, using the same roller-locked delayed blowback mechanism as the CETME Model L rifle or the Heckler & Koch rifles and machine guns.

Happy? Ian Hogg. He was (died this year) the foremost expert on small arms in the world. Willing to admit that you were wrong now?

I would never argue with Ian Hogg, Logan. He is tops!

I'm not sure why you are so upset, however.

I said:

The Spanish have a mini MG 42 Squad-automatic-weapon that fires 5.56mm NATO as well.

I never said it had to be exact, did I? And assuming that he is referring to the same gun as I did, Mr. Hogg does say that it LOOKS like a scaled MG 42. I guess that explains why you wanted more than a picture.

All I know is that I want one. How about you?
8)

[Logan Hartke]

y you are so upset, however.

I said:

The Spanish have a mini MG 42 Squad-automatic-weapon that fires 5.56mm NATO as well.

I never said it had to be exact, did I? And assuming that he is referring to the same gun as I did, Mr. Hogg does say that it LOOKS like a scaled MG 42. I guess that explains why you wanted more than a picture.

All I know is that I want one. How about you?
8)

Looking like a little MG 42 and being a scaled-down MG 42 are two VERY different things. Anyway, sorry if it sounded like I was upset; I really wasn't. As for wanting one, I certainly do. From what I've read, it is quite possibly the best squad support weapon in 5.56mm out here. It is certainly in the top ten.

Logan Hartke

[Scott Smith]

I agree with that. There is the version of the MG 42 in 7.62 NATO that uses both the original linked-belts and the disintegrating-links that the M-60 machinegun uses, as well as a Yugoslavian version in 7.92 Mauser. I don't know how they all compare to the original German version functionally or aesthetically. Also, it would be interesting to compare the various SAW models out there but this one I find the most appealing.

Best Regards,
Scott

[paddywhack]

a few years ago at beltring i saw and by CHRIST did i hear a mg42 fire its so so loud and quite amazing and just like carpet ripping only muc much MUCH louder, i had the opertunity to buy a mg42 at a fair here in ireland a year ago but the cops raided the place and toke all the weapons away!!! (actuly it was quiet funny as the seller was quiet rude to me and my friends for even looking at it!!!!!)

[Zygmunt]

"Tearing carpet"... I often come across references to it sounding like "tearing linoleum" (lino). Never having heard either carpet or lino being torn, I'm not sure if I'm any the wiser. But I'm listening out for it.

Zygmunt

[audrew]

mg 45 foto

[audrew]

mg 45- lauf und bolt foto

[audrew]

unfolding arms

[audrew]

unfolding arms

[pitfighter]

Audrew -
Interesting that they went back to the early style MG42 cocking handle - perhaps it was a vicious recoil spring, like the MG81, and needed a more stable handhold to cycle the action?

Take away the stock and barrel shroud, you have something that is more similar to the MG81 than the MG42.

[Poot]

On the other hand, the MG-42 (iun the NATO version) is still the best MG in the world...

Christian

Based on a proven record in sustained combat operations?

Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd just like to know how it's being compared (conditions), and what else it's being compared to (competitors used in same conditions).

Pat

[Christian Ankerstjerne]

Based on a proven record in sustained combat operations?

Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd just like to know how it's being compared (conditions), and what else it's being compared to (competitors used in same conditions).

Pat

You'll excuse me for not remembering my line of thought from 13 years ago.