The official AHF small arms quiz thread

[The Edge]

So, if you are served with wrong kind of cheese, just take your domesticaly-produced SMG and make the holes by yourself!

P.S. Still out - email shop

[varjag]

the "dry" part comes from the hard work in coming up with new questions

True indeed.
As we are inundated with cheeses and clocks we must turn to Svizzera which is very easily confused with Svezia. Where they make Volvo cars. Whereas in Svizzera they seem to live, mainly on vaulting the fortunes from oil, drugs and corruption :roll:
As Svizzera hates to part with that mountain of money it...

Must be some commercial (or nationalistic) cause

So, good or bad - they make it themselves! In an outburst of nationalistic fervour SIG produced an SMG that had few other merits than being made locally. Initially - it used plenty of timber to look really 'Swiss'. But - the Cuckoo-clock industry protested loudly that timber supplies were fast declining . So - SIG found it possible to make the same garbage without all that wood..... here, both the wooded and sensible versions

http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas2/673.htm

Varjag

[Rikard Hufschmied]

The Swiss SIG Neuhausen MP-48 9mm P. Developed during the latter stages of the war, direct descendant of the MP-46 prototype, forerunner of the MP-310. An enigma indeed, why develop a SMG that has no or only marginal benefits over designs already in production (Swiss Suomi production as pointed out) and then decide to revamp it yet again a couple of years later??? Well, Swiss logic isn't always that easy to follow. For instance, the MG-51! Let's use the basic design of a proven GPMG (MG42), and then defeat the purpose of it as we make it heavier and more complicated to manufacture as we use milling instead of stamping??? Let it be the Rolls Royce of MGs, it was stupid nevertheless!

Varjag's up! Good Luck

The "offender":

[varjag]

Thanks Rikard...now comes the 'dry part' :roll: .....

We're asking about a very common rifle. The quite potent potential of which, was not deemed enough :roll: ....And, we are short of anti-tank rifles....so, we think that by reaming out the chamber of the rifle for a longer cartridge and giving it a new designation - Presto - we an anti-tank weapon . Oh..and YES, we have to add a muzzle-brake too. Which tended to fall off when the monster was fired.....because few that had a shot with it - asked for a second try - and some that did went to see an orthopedian after..

Which was the rifle? Which was the longer cartridge for which it was re-chambered and what was it's military designation?, Varjag

Special note @ Rikard Hufschmied: You are diskvalificerad from answering for 36 hours!

[varjag]

Gosh! It wasn't that difficult was it? Tips: g m/39 - pvg m/39 - and repeated inverse as m/40 , Varjag

[varjag]

Oh crikey - this one has been hanging out for far too long..... :roll:
In 1939 Sweden bought 5000 German mauser Kar 98k from Germany. They received the Swedish designation 'Gevär m/39', for short... g/39. It was then thought that the German 7,92x57 cartridge might make them an armour-piercing proposition - and g/39 was promoted to 'Pansarvärnsgevär m/39' or Pvg m/39. As this 'pipe-dream' quickly evaporated some bright spark came up with the idea to rechamber them for more potent Swedish machine-gun cartridge 8x63mm. Which was done and pronto - they had '8mm Pvg m/40'. Which required a muzzle-brake, lest the shooters bones were to break.......The recoil was such, that the muzzle-brake often tended to drop off. And - few soldiers that had fired the the Pvg m/40 - asked to try again . But some use HAD to be found for them. So - what better repository than the Home Guard? To which they were fobbed off as being of an 'unusual calibre'. And were 'demoted' to a more humble 'g/40'. I doubt that the Home Guard used them much if at all. Most were probably quietly scrapped after the war - but many were bought by Sam Cummings Interarms in Alexandria, Virginia after the war - and turned up in the post-war American 'craze' for biggest and best against Kodiak-bear . The 8x63mm cartridge was an oddball, but C-H soon even offered reloading dies for the caliber sixty years ago.

The question is free to any contender! Varjag

[The Edge]

Hmm... That's "something old, something new" for me. Thans for the info.

I spent lot of fruitless time looking for a rifle with more potent AT round than 7.62x63mm
(if I'm not mistaking, that's .30-06 necked up to 8mm by Swedes, also called 8-06 :roll: ?)
My scheme was something like .300 H&H Magum, but nothing came up.

Relatively easy one for keep the quiz rolling: (tried also on tanks, without much success )

[varjag]

I spent lot of fruitless time looking for a rifle with more potent AT round than 7.62x63mm

Oh you gladden my heart - and yes, the Swedes just necked out the .30-06 to eight mil's for the heavy MG m/36.
I've never fired the g/40 - but have had the pleasure of hundreds of 8x63's through an m/36 - over to you, Varjag

[The Edge]

Interesting data at http://8x63swedish.pridham.ca/history.html

It states that most of m/40 rifles were sold to Israel in late 1940s. Probably Sam Cummings was involved in this deal (as with Vampires for Dominican Republic), with some examples ending in USA also. Original manufacturer seams to be J.P. Sauer & Sohn.

[The Edge]

Hint for the new question: caliber 7.92x57mm

[Petrus]

Hint for the new question: caliber 7.92x57mm

It resembles the Mosin carbine. Perhaps rechambered/rebarreled to take the German cartridge? We did such conversions mid-war ("we" means "Polish" it that instance) ...

Best regards,
Piotr

[The Edge]

It resembles the Mosin carbine. Perhaps rechambered/rebarreled to take the German cartridge? We did such conversions mid-war ("we" means "Polish" it that instance) ...

IT IS Mosin M.1891 rifle. (Later modified)

IT IS rebarreled to 7.92mm. (Stock had to be shortened)

So, what was the name "we" gave to this rifle?

[varjag]

Could it be Model 1891/98/25, Varjag

[Petrus]

So, what was the name "we" gave to this rifle? [/color]

Well, most probably this is the "karabinek 7,92 mm wzór 1891/98/25" (shortly "kbk 7,92 mm wz. 1891/98/25").
There were also two other variants of the converted Mosin carbine, namely "wz. 1891/98/23" as well as "wz. 1891/98/26" that somehow differed from the "wz. 1891/98/25". Eventually the "1891/98/25" became the standard Mosin-based carbine of the Polish Army, and was commonly being called the "Polish Mosin".

Here is a photo showing a light-machine gun:

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What is it?

Best regards,
Piotr

[The Edge]

First, sorry for the late reply - I was "out of action" for three days (I keep forgeting that my "Tarzan days" are over ).
Well, both Varjag & Piotr are right - this is Polish wz.91/98/25 rifle (photo from http://www.CollectibleFirearms.com)
Now quite awkward situation arose - Varjag got the right answer first, but Piotr put rather interesting question later. :roll:
Knowing our friend Varjag and how supporting he is (financial & other), I believe he would not mind to proceed with the Piotr's question.