Wehrwolf: German resistance to the Allied occupation

[Harm Wulf]

http://www.thule-italia.net/Storia/Werwolf.html

[Waffen211]

Great article Harm. Vey very nice...

Waffen211

[craig34]

can we start a thread with pictures of werwolfs plz

thank you craig smith

[craig34]

any one got a picture of a dead werwolf in 1946 taken by the 11th armoured divison
ive seen it in many books but cant find it on the website or everywhere

thank you from craig smith

[Darrell English]

I have a 7th US Army reports on theas boys and one photoe of a stack of arms found

[deutschearmee]

heres a book about the "freischärler" .... probably in german

http://books.google.de/books?id=DpB-h8L ... e#PPA85,M1

[Ranke]

On the Werwolfs you need to check the books by Perry Biddiscombe,

Werwolf! The History of the National Socialist Guerrilla Movement, 1944-46.
and
The Last Nazis: Werwolf Guerrilla Resistance in Europe, 1944-47
and
SS Hunter Battalions: The Hidden History of the Nazi Resistance Movement.

[Robert Rojas]

Greetings to both citizen Craig34 and the community as a whole. Well sir, in reference to your introductory posting of Tuesday - March 04, 2008 - 9:32pm, old Uncle Bob would like to recommend the following thought provoking thread for your perusal. The thread in question is entitled as WEREWOLVES IN THE 60'S and it is located within the POST WORLD WAR TWO HISTORY section of the forum. The thread's author goes by the nom de plume of von Schadewald and its creation date is Thursday - June 28, 2007 - 11:48pm. I believe you will find the contents of citizen von Schadewald's thread of relevant interest to your particular historical pursuits. Well, that's my initial two cents, pence or pfennigs worth on this often overlooked aspect of the war in Europe. In anycase, I would like to bid you a copacetic day over in merry old England. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN - not to mention everybody else.

Best Regards,
Uncle Bob

[craig34]

lol god save the president and thanks for the very informative info


greetings craig smith

[David Thompson]

Werewolves in the 60s?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 8&t=123031

[vszulc]

None of these activities were associated with any Nazi "Werwolf operation." None of these groups developed into a zonal-wide resistance. But to say that no acts of resistance occurred from these groups is incorrect.

Also keep in mind, that the millions of men who'd you expect to take up a role in this, were in pow-camps for several years afterwards.

Postwar Germany certainly had a relatively recent memory of right-wing, nationalist paramilitary resistance groups in the Freikorps during the Weimar period.

Yes but the two periods and situations were vastly different, and can't be compared. Germany was reduced to a rubbles after WWII, unlike after the first world war, there was also a massive occupation. Etc, etc, etc. The two most important points are probably, that there didn't exist the same kind of power-vacuum that Germany saw immediately after the first world war, and that Germany had really been completely devestated. There was not a person alive in the country in 1945, who'd say: 'Yeah, I'd do that all over if necessary!'
I think the unredeemed nazis who were left, could probably see, that the only solution for national socialism, would be to organize covertly, and wait for conditions to change drastically, before having any chance of success.

Even old Nazi's, except the idiot "die-hards" conceeded "Capitalism" is better than "Communism".

Sorry, but that's just not correct. First of all, I doubt that the post-war germans would be in any mood to discuss or compare the relative merits of different political systems. What mattered was, if you could eat tonight.

Also, and I really don't mean this in an offensive way, but it sounds like you don't know a whole lot about the political climate of that time.
(You could know alot about the war, without knowing alot about the political climate, and the other way around)

It's popular today, to bring up the supposed inherent advantages, that capitalism has over communism: Hindsight, the collapse of the warsaw pact and all of that.
But immediately after the war, communism seemed to people like, and was, a roaring success.

The industrialization of the Soviet Union in the 30'ies were still fresh in peoples minds, and the Soviet Union had just defeated Hitler and one of the mightiest warmachines ever. This was something that the liberal democracies of France and the United Kingdom couldn't do, until Stalin and the Soviet Union stepped into the picture.
Even in countries that weren't liberated by the Soviets, the biggest and most efficient resistance organisations were the communist ones.

Also: Germany had one of the strongest communist parties in Europe before Hitler took power. In 1945 there was still millions of former and current communists in Germany, along with millions of current and former Social Democrats.

As I mentioned, what mattered the most, was if you could eat tonight. But in all of the occupation zones, there were Germans who were looking forward to communist rule. Or were genuinely curious.

[Von Schadewald]

Although nothing to do with Werewolves, is it correct that there were some nasty shootouts involving deaths between chocolate & coffee smugglers and the police & Allies on the German-Belgian border well in to the 50s?

[eriksteffen]

I know an amazing story of a surviving werewolf who lives to this day, but I'm somewhat hesitant to reveal the story based on what I've read about what they did to those they found in the post-war time.

[eriksteffen]

Okay - without revealing whom, here is the story, maybe based on what I know, someone can help me fill in the blanks a little:

He grew up in Koblenz. He was a hitler youth who joined the war at 15 or 16 for it's last two years. His company was sent off to Stalingrad, but individuals had the choice to stay back and defend the home land instead. According to him (I'm not sure about the time line) he was in a small anti-tank group. As he describes: he and a few other teenagers would hide behind the enemy lines and let whole companys go by until the very last tank/vehicle. They would then explode the last tank and run.

When asked "How many tanks do you think you got?" He would reply (in his old German accent): "Ve ver veddy fast. (We were very fast).

He also said he and his group exploded munisions dumps - mainly French and French Moroccan. He described one time as this: "We would toss grenades and launch rockets into their dumps and they would explode - knowing the whole company would be after us. But, this once, we exploded something that blew up bright red and made a whizzing noise when we hit it. The flash was so bright, I was temporarily blinded for half a day. The only way I escaped was that I held on to the back pack of a comrade and trusted him to lead me to safety."

He said he faught mainly in the Black Forrest during the war against the French Morrocans hand-to-hand/geurilla style.

But where I believe he is a Werewolf comes in to the story's hed tell about after the war - many of which he is still very vague about. Once, someone said to him, "Thanks for telling us those war stories..." in front of his wife, he responded, looking at her, "Not too much, honey - don't worry."

Apparently he was well known by the French and persued after the war for a couple years. I've heard stories from people who know him better than I about how he was part of a group that didn't believe the war was over and kept fighting. They say he was blindly loyal to the army and still to this day in his heart has the glimmer of hope that the war still might not be lost all the way. What he did during those post war times he describes as "Being young and stupid."

So, based on what I've read on who they recruited to be a werewolf and the rest of his story, I can only conclude he was one of those anti-tank groups they recruited at the end of the war to be a werewolf.

As far as the rest of the story - I'll be vague - he eventually made it to Canada. How - I'll never know. All he took with him was his (insert vocabulary term here) book that proved he was German/Christian back to the 14th century. There he met who would be his wife - a refugee from Danzig who lived in a Russian prison camp for over a year in her teens.

They married, had 3 childeren, and eventually moved to the states, where they had another. He is now a voting American citizen and so is she.

What a story this would make if I could fill in the blanks.

[Mark in Cleveland, Tn.]

come on man, you really do'nt believe all this .
just the vague time line you gave does not ring true at all!!!

Re read your thread and you will understand what i mean.
french morracons in the black forest???
stalingrad in 1943/44?????

rockets fired at ammo dumps??

none of this makes any sense...