heroes or traitors?

[Roderick]

Referring the attempt against Hitler on 20 July 1944, I'd like to know following:

Nowadays, for German people, invividuals like Stauffenberg, Witzleben, Stieff, Hoepner, Quirnheim, Haase, Hofacker, Goerdeler and others who took part on this attempt, are considered heroes or traitors? What do the scholls teach?
...or only history without opinions.

Roderick

[SeppCaesar]

I get the sence that by summer of 44' they'd all be pretty sick of the bombings of their towns and think the plotters to be heros

but I guess it came down to ever persons feelings

[PAK]

...or only history without opinions.

That comes close, we are taught there was an attempt on Hitlers life which didn't succeed, period.

[hauptmannn]

Those men were depicted as being traitors in the media it is without doubt there are many who thought it that way. However some may think them as martyrs.

[Ti.P]

...or only history without opinions.

That comes close, we are taught there was an attempt on Hitlers life which didn't succeed, period.

althogh i live in syd i goto a german skool
I agree we arent told this guy is a hero this guy is a traitor etc. thats for the individual perosn to come up with otherwise its no better then wot hitler did to kids!
however those guys r seen as heroes in germy they got street n town named after them!

[stcamp]

Interesting in that I have just read that Himmler by 1943 was aware of a possible coup and did nothing knowing he would be the one to benfit from it. Also by 1944 Hauser and Sepp Detrich had agreed to cooperate with the outcome knowing that Himmler would be the succesor.

[NIBBE]

why would himmler benfit from this coup? wouldn't someone like Stauffenberg, Witzleben or Stieff become the new leader?

[Orok]

I guess that is because Himmler believed that, due to Hitler's huge popularity, he could easily supress the conspirators and arrest them, and ascended the Third Reich throne himself.

[Scott Smith]

Göring was the lawful sucessor so Himmler would have had to support that without alienating the Party and the Luftwaffe.

[stcamp]

In a coup d'etat the winner is usually the one who controls the biggest part of the military and police. There were more party members in the Wehrmacht then there were in the SS. I think he saw himself as the one most capable of carrying on the Hitlers vision.

Also, by not interfering with the Stauffenberg and the rest he would not have Adolf's blood on his hands. The author mentioned how after the blast there was no real mobilization of the police or Berlin SS garrison in response until after Himmler found out the failure of the bomb to kill Hitler.

I think the plan was to support Stauffenberg indirectly. Take control later and see if they could get some kind of peace aggrement with the west.

[Orok]

Göring was the lawful sucessor so Himmler would have had to support that without alienating the Party and the Luftwaffe.

Göring had a much more amiable nature than AH, so he should be more open to manipulation by Himmler & Co.

[May 10th 1940]

They were heroes in my opinion. But what if they had succeed did't they really think they could stand up agianst Himmler Kaltenbrunner and Bormann. i think those tree men took over the power id Hitler had died

[Scott Smith]

Göring was the lawful sucessor so Himmler would have had to support that without alienating the Party and the Luftwaffe.

Göring had a much more amiable nature than AH, so he should be more open to manipulation by Himmler & Co.

I don't think one would want to cross Göring, in spite of his usually being portrayed as a buffoon.

[Scott Smith]

I think the plan was to support Stauffenberg indirectly. Take control later and see if they could get some kind of peace aggrement with the west.

Are you suggesting that Himmler had advanced knowledge of the plot and did nothing? There wasn't a lot of time to think about it after the bomb was set off and it was learned that Hitler was not dead.

[chalutzim]

I don't think one would want to cross Göring, in spite of his usually being portrayed as a buffoon.

It could be also added that besides his badly concealed coarseness and vulgarity, it was Goering who comissioned Heydrich to organize the Jewish destruction and he who envisaged the death of millions of people as a very normal thing.