Hello CJK1990, I am enjoying your arguments to your point, even though I think you are outnumbered here.
I will take exception on your comparison with the situation in Italy and your fictional situation that if Churchill had been replaced by a “puppet” government and then that government had surrendered to the Germans that it would be considered treason by the British people; this is not an apples to apples comparison with the Italian situation. First in Italy it was not a “puppet” government, there was nothing illegal about the ousting of Mussolini. And while I will I am not a big fan of Badoglio or the King, the process was legal. You must remember that a government is supposed to represent the will of its people, not subject IT’s will on their people. The English people were almost unanimously united in their “hatred” and determination it oppose Germany, so if Churchill was sacked and a new government immediately declared a truce or surrendered to Hitler, then yes, they would feel that they were betrayed. In Italy it was very much the opposite, with many people with strong feelings against the Germans, and most people wanting the war to end. From my understanding there had always been predominately anti-German feelings held by the Italians. They had fought against the Germans in WW1, and the average Italian did not consider them their ally. On the other hand many Italians had either relatives in America who helped support them, or they dreamed of one day going to America. When it was announced that Mussolini was disposed, there were scenes of Italians dancing in the streets in celebration. So a comparison between the two in your “what if” does not fit.
The war was lost by mid 43’ for the Axis. Hitler knew this. He knew the condition of is troops, fuel, attritional losses. They could not touch American and Soviet manufacturing. He refused to accept reality and MILLIONS more would die because of his stubbornness?? Insanity?? Cowardice??? I do not know, but this decision led to misery on an epic scale. Most Italian military leaders knew likewise that the war was over, so what were they to tell their troops, “fight and die here so Hitler may get 6 or 12 more months time before he too was defeated”. Why should Italian, men, woman, and children be expected to die for Hitler just because he refused to admit defeat??? Hitler felt betrayed by his own people, and as the war turned he felt them unworthy of his reign, and thus he believed they should parish with him in flames. How many woman and children of Germany died because Hitler would not submit to the inevitable? This is not something that should be looked upon with admiration decades there after, but should be looked on as an abomination in the name of humanity.. Why should Italians die for this…?