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identification italian officer

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Post by mulisch » 10 Mar 2005, 11:12

Hello to you all,

Is there perhaps somebody who can identify the italian officer on the picture ???

Thanks in advance,

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Post by Lupo Solitario » 10 Mar 2005, 14:16

ehmm...no, but he bears fascist badges, not regular armed forces ones.


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Post by Luca Rovetta » 13 Mar 2005, 13:10

I Agree, he could be an important fascist man.
He remember ma Achille Starace, but he can be somebody else.
Bye, Luca

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Post by mulisch » 14 Mar 2005, 07:42

Hello Lupo and Luca,

First i want to thank you both for your information !!!

So the man on the picture is not a military officer, but a important member of the fascist party. Luca you say that he remembers you at Achille Starace, do you perhaps have a picture of this man and more information about him ????

Maybe somebody has an other clue about the indentity of this man ???

Thanks in advance,

Mulisch

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Post by VJK » 14 Mar 2005, 09:13

Hi Mulisch!

Starace was a Lt. General in the MVSN (militia). Brief details can be found here:

http://www.generals.dk/general/Starace/ ... Italy.html

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Post by Luca Rovetta » 14 Mar 2005, 20:33

Hi, Starace was the secretary of PNF, he was the inventor of the famous words "Saluto al Duce", "A noi!".
Probably he was an honest man (he did not became rich, and in '44-'45 he had to go to he poor's table in Milan because he has no money) but not very brilliant. Was a sportsman and he organised many plays for the young boys.
I think he was not an evil man, his execution probably was an exageration.
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Luca

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Post by Lupo Solitario » 14 Mar 2005, 22:14

Anyway a first-rank fascist leader...he was responsible of many of "ideas" usually connected with fascism as dressing orbace, calling people with "voi" and not "lei" and so on...tried some military command in Ethiopia and Greece without a lot of success...
He was also one of the must joked fascist leaders. There's an really fun epitaph concerning him:
Qui giace Starace
vestito d'orbace
in pace predace
in guerra fugace
di nulla capace
requiescat in pace
(difficult to traslate saving rhyme...it means, more or less:
Here lies Starace
dressed of orbace
in peace grabber
in war runner
good at nothing
rest in peace)

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Post by mulisch » 15 Mar 2005, 08:02

Thanks VJK, Luca and Lupo for your information !!!!

Verry interesting information about this man and what he did. According to the pictures VJK put on, i would like to know if Lupo and VJK share the same opinion as Luca that the man on the first picture is (or could be) Achille Starace.

Thanks in advance,

Mulisch

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Post by VJK » 15 Mar 2005, 09:14

Hi Mulisch!

Your mystery man certainly resembles the 2nd pic of Starace I posted, however, I note that your man's cap doesn't appear to have the ornate gold braid around it that Starace has in my pic, but rather just plain braiding. I am no expert on Italian MVSN uniforms, but that could be significant.

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VJK

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Post by Lupo Solitario » 15 Mar 2005, 14:51

VJK wrote:Hi Mulisch!

Your mystery man certainly resembles the 2nd pic of Starace I posted, however, I note that your man's cap doesn't appear to have the ornate gold braid around it that Starace has in my pic, but rather just plain braiding. I am no expert on Italian MVSN uniforms, but that could be significant.

Regards,

VJK
hmmm...Not a point, Starace had many charges in different structures (fascist party, MVSN, regular army, etc.) and he could in a certain way "choose" which uniform use. Again it depends by period.
I think that our man is not Starace but cause he seems a different person, lower, slimmer and "uglier"

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Post by mulisch » 15 Mar 2005, 19:41

Hello Lupo and VJK,

I thank you both for your quock answer. Lupo do you have any clue who the person in your opinion could be and wich uniform the man is wearing ????

Thanks in advance,

Mulisch

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Post by zaptiè » 15 Mar 2005, 20:27

the uniform is a problem : the visor cap is of a fascit party higth ranking leader , but the overcoat is of MVSN officiers

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Post by harmel » 17 Mar 2005, 03:06

Hi Lupo and Luca-was he Commander of the Miltia Saubada Legion

Kind regards from the UK.

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Post by mulisch » 17 Mar 2005, 08:19

Thanks for your answer zaptiè !!!

So it's verry dificult to indentify this man on his uniform, i know now that this picture was taken in Dortmund and it says that he was a minister.

Is there perhaps any info that a facistleader/minister was visiting RAD man in Dortmund ????

Thanks in advance,

Mulisch

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Post by FB » 17 Mar 2005, 09:23

mulisch wrote:Thanks for your answer zaptiè !!!

So it's verry dificult to indentify this man on his uniform, i know now that this picture was taken in Dortmund and it says that he was a minister.

Is there perhaps any info that a facistleader/minister was visiting RAD man in Dortmund ????

Thanks in advance,

Mulisch
That's a possibility. Maybe you if have also a date for this visit in Dortmund, someone could for instance check the Italian Government composition at that date and see what comes up. And I have a (very silly, excuse me) question: what does RAD mean?

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