Watch thisGraeme Sydney wrote:There are none so blind as those who don't want to see .
http://youtu.be/IaWTDzR1mRI?t=43m10s
I have set the link to start at 43min into the documentary its only the final part that is relevant to our discussion.
Watch thisGraeme Sydney wrote:There are none so blind as those who don't want to see .
David1819 wrote:I just realised that we might not get a solid answer to this.
Did Hitler ever mention such a thing or along the lines of defeat to his inner circle or generals and have they noted it down in diary's or other notes to prove it? I did read somewhere that Hitler mentioned to Erwin Rommel in 1943 that "the war has been militarily lost" but I made no effort to conform or verify the claim as I considered it was a bit suspect. but if anyone has any primary information such as that please share.
Other than that all we can do is speculate
One of Rommel's staff officers said Rommel went to see Hitler after El Alamein and Stalingrad. Rommel told Hitler point blank "The war is lost!" Hitler supposedly replied, "I'm not stupid! Don't you think I know that? My only hope is to negotiate from a position of strength!"
http://www.ww2f.com/topic/19161-one-of- ... l-alamein/Hitler did hint on the possibility of losing the war on several times like "If I cannot get the Caucasus oil we´re lost"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/70-years-a ... r-ii/28059When the Red Army launched its devastating counteroffensive on December 5, Hitler himself realized that he would lose the war. But of course he was not prepared to let the German public know that. The nasty tidings from the front near Moscow were presented to the public as a temporary setback, blamed on the supposedly unexpectedly early arrival of winter and/or on the incompetence or cowardice of certain commanders
Now that a 'dangerous' article, and typical of the dangers of the internet - anyone can publish.David1819 wrote:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/70-years-a ... r-ii/28059
I disagree with your opening premise. It might be correct to say 'some people' or even 'most people' but it is certainly not all people.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote: People are ready to believe any and everything about Hitler.
In 1939-45 about 3/4 of Europe thought Hitler was the Devil incarnate - but only because he was. Hitler would be less loathed today compared to 39-45.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote: After the cataclysmic defeat of Germany, as the decades have gone by, he has been invested with diabolical features..
There's that sweeping statement again. You really should make a distinction between the popular view of history and the informed view.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:........ people are ready to believe any and everything about him.
I don't think I've read too often that Hitler was stupid; mad yes, stupid no. Hitler has been diagnosed as pathological narcissistic - clinically insane.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:But the fact remains that he was not stupid and had extraordinary qualities of mind and instinct... as well as a strong backbone.
I don't think there is much that Hitler ever said that was for pure propaganda purposes. That is not to say it wasn't used for propaganda but it wasn't said for propaganda, morale building and motivating others.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote: A lot of what he publicly said was for purposes of propaganda, morale building and motivating others.
There were many different reasons and motivations for the nation and the individual to keep fighting, from fatalism, to fear of retribution. to just fear, to 'no alternative' and others.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:Hitler and his close coterie had a dread of internal strife and mutiny in Germany a la 1918.. So they were hell bent on maintaining discipline and generating hope...howsoever absurd after a certain point. All the talk of wonder weapons and magical solutions was partly motivated by the imperative to maintain a public posture of Hope.
At the end Hitler ordered the total destruction of Germany not to deny the enemy but as punishment to the Germany people because they had failed in meeting their destiny and in his and their own theory of Master Race they didn't deserve to survive. (But in his mind meaning they had failed him and his destiny.) That wasn't "sheer bloody mindedness and frustrated rage" that was criminal insanity.sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:Once he knew for sure that defeat is inevitable, after the failed Ardennes Offensive, it was just sheer bloody mindedness and frustrated rage at the world at large that kept him going till the bitter end. It certainly wasnt any hope of victory any more.
Off-topic. I got posts deleted for less than that.flakbait wrote:Saddam Hussain supposedly just before the beginning of Desert Storm told his foreign minister "If every Iraqi must die so I remain in power that is acceptable..." Obviously a very similar mind set...The `Glorious Dear Leader" of North Korea is another likely example. All were/ are completely a-moral inhumane extroverted narcissistic meglamaniacs with basically unlimited ambitions so long as they are permitted to be unopposed...