"Hitler got it right for Normandy 1944"

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Post by ljadw » 09 May 2015, 11:56

A basic law of physics is that something immobile (as a sack of coals) is not moving from it self : it has to be transported :maybe Sandeep could explain us how the sack of coals could be transported : by trucks ? by railway ?There were no teleporters available .

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Re: "Hitler got it right for Normandy 1944"

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 13 Dec 2016, 19:33

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Rommel inspects the 21st panzer in Normandy : May - June 1944 (as per the time period provided by the Bundesarchiv).

Rommel placed a lot of hope on this division for his Decision on The Beaches strategy.

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 13 Dec 2016, 19:44

A screen of 6-pdr anti-tank guns in position by the side of the Rue de la Croix Rose in Hermanville-sur-Mer, on D Day. These played an important role in stopping the 21st Pz Div on that fateful 6th of June...

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Re: "Hitler got it right for Normandy 1944"

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Post by Sheldrake » 13 Dec 2016, 20:49

sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:A screen of 6-pdr anti-tank guns in position by the side of the Rue de la Croix Rose in Hermanville-sur-Mer, on D Day. These played an important role in stopping the 21st Pz Div on that fateful 6th of June...


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Nice photo, but while the 6 Pdrs may have been in place, the troops which defeated the armour of the 21st Panzer Division were a little further South East closer to Periers. There was a panzer grenadier battlegroup that made its way to the coast near Luc-sur-Mer, but AFAIK they did not fight at Hermanville.

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 14 Dec 2016, 15:34

Sheldrake wrote:
sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:A screen of 6-pdr anti-tank guns in position by the side of the Rue de la Croix Rose in Hermanville-sur-Mer, on D Day. These played an important role in stopping the 21st Pz Div on that fateful 6th of June...


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Nice photo, but while the 6 Pdrs may have been in place, the troops which defeated the armour of the 21st Panzer Division were a little further South East closer to Periers. There was a panzer grenadier battlegroup that made its way to the coast near Luc-sur-Mer, but AFAIK they did not fight at Hermanville.
Hi Sheldrake...

The KG you mention didn't face much resistance close to the beaches IIRC. They had somehow been able to strike in between the two zones.

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Post by Michael Kenny » 14 Dec 2016, 15:57

sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:
The KG you mention didn't face much resistance close to the beaches IIRC. They had somehow been able to strike in between the two zones.
They did not 'strike' anything. They simply had the good fortune(for them) to be in an area where no Allied troops had landed. They reached the coast, did not like what they could see and drove back unmolested to temporary safety.

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 15 Dec 2016, 12:26

12 SS in Normandy..interesting pics :
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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 15 Dec 2016, 12:30

Michael Kenny wrote:
sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:
The KG you mention didn't face much resistance close to the beaches IIRC. They had somehow been able to strike in between the two zones.
They did not 'strike' anything. They simply had the good fortune(for them) to be in an area where no Allied troops had landed. They reached the coast, did not like what they could see and drove back unmolested to temporary safety.
"Strike" is not used here in the form of hitting or abrasion. Strike out is often used to denote moving with an aggressive intent into contested territory. Here I had clearly mentioned " The KG you mention didn't face much resistance close to the beaches IIRC ". So there was no question of "striking" anything the way you have implied.

Inspite of me clearly conveying my intent, I am not sure why you chose to overlook that and create a strawman.

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 15 Dec 2016, 12:41

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Allies scale on D day : Pointe Du Hoc
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Post by Michael Kenny » 15 Dec 2016, 17:42

sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:
Inspite of me clearly conveying my intent, I am not sure why you chose to overlook that and create a strawman.
So now would not be the best time to point out your Panther pic captions (as written) refer to a non-existing Unit?

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 15 Dec 2016, 18:21

Michael Kenny wrote:
sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:
Inspite of me clearly conveying my intent, I am not sure why you chose to overlook that and create a strawman.
So now would not be the best time to point out your Panther pic captions (as written) refer to a non-existing Unit?

3rd and 4th Kps, 12 SS Pz Rgmnt, 12 SS Pz Div didnt' exist in Normandy? Interesting...

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Post by Michael Kenny » 15 Dec 2016, 20:29

sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:

3rd and 4th Kps, 12 SS Pz Rgmnt, 12 SS Pz Div didnt' exist in Normandy? Interesting...
You must get to know the correct shorthand and to learn to know when to use Roman Numerals and ordinary numbers.
I/SS Pz Rgt 12 (Panthers) & II/SS Pz Reg 12.(Pz IV)
There was no III/SS Pz Reg 12 or IV/SS Pz Rgt 12

The correct way to include the kp number is (for your Panther pics) 3/I SS Pz Rgt 12 or 4/I SS Pz Rgt 12

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 15 Dec 2016, 21:00

Michael Kenny wrote:
sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:

3rd and 4th Kps, 12 SS Pz Rgmnt, 12 SS Pz Div didnt' exist in Normandy? Interesting...
You must get to know the correct shorthand and to learn to know when to use Roman Numerals and ordinary numbers.
I/SS Pz Rgt 12 (Panthers) & II/SS Pz Reg 12.(Pz IV)
There was no III/SS Pz Reg 12 or IV/SS Pz Rgt 12

The correct way to include the kp number is (for your Panther pics) 3/I SS Pz Rgt 12 or 4/I SS Pz Rgt 12
I know how to depict unit and formation numbers ...thanks..
The numbering shown in the pic was part of the original source. I believe any reader approaching it in good faith would have known what the pic titles were conveying.

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Post by Michael Kenny » 15 Dec 2016, 22:25

sandeepmukherjee196 wrote:


I know how to depict unit and formation numbers ................
How is this for a coincidence?

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p2052685

In the Wehrmacht/SS, Kp's are referred to by using the Arabic numbering system while Abteilungen/Bataillone are represented by Roman Numerals.

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Post by Gorque » 16 Dec 2016, 04:10

Hi all:

Kindly excuse my interrupting the discussion (and vehicle identification ignorance), but what are those two vehicles in front of the barn? They look like some sort of small crane.

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