Encirclement of Uman
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Encirclement of Uman
Hello! Sorry if this is on the wrong thread or if my question has already been answered somewhere.
I'm curious as to how the encirclement of Uman went along from July 15 to August 8, how the units moved to and or into Uman day by day, and where? From what street or block did they start, what units were involved, how many, what field tactics were in use, and basically the minute-by-minute report of the battle
Danke!
I'm curious as to how the encirclement of Uman went along from July 15 to August 8, how the units moved to and or into Uman day by day, and where? From what street or block did they start, what units were involved, how many, what field tactics were in use, and basically the minute-by-minute report of the battle
Danke!
Potz, Mohren, Blitz und Kreuzelement,
Wer den Fritz und seine Soldaten noch nicht kennt!"
Damn bloody hell
Upon anyone still not knowing Fritz and his soldiers!"
Wer den Fritz und seine Soldaten noch nicht kennt!"
Damn bloody hell
Upon anyone still not knowing Fritz and his soldiers!"
Re: Encirclement of Uman
Uman was sabotage. 4 armies attacked the small group of Russian, lost a lot of time. 1 tank group could strike at Kiev and move east.
https://reibert.info/threads/umanskij-k ... -go.67702/
https://reibert.info/threads/umanskij-k ... -go.67702/
Re: Encirclement of Uman
the book in Russian, 381 pages
day by day since July 25
http://skacat-jurnal.ru/28438-umanskiy- ... armiy.html
day by day since July 25
http://skacat-jurnal.ru/28438-umanskiy- ... armiy.html
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Re: Encirclement of Uman
The arrow for the 11th Army is incorrect. It passed to the south of Pervomajsk and didn't take part in the encirclement at Uman. Unsure if the fighting around Balta at the end of July 1941 should be considered part of the Uman Operation.
Re: Encirclement of Uman
Hello DerFreiKorpMann ; take a look here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5&t=169319 Cheers. Raúl M .
Re: Encirclement of Uman
1 panzer group had to strike to Kiev. With Soviet the 6 and 12 army 17,11,3 Rom. armies would cope. Strategic mistake umansky copper.
Re: Encirclement of Uman
For that - preparations to give those armies adequate firepower are needed, (feasible in form of French GPF guns, Somua tanks and upgraded 2-man tanks for Divizia Blindata and Gyorsadtest);line wrote:1 panzer group had to strike to Kiev. With Soviet the 6 and 12 army 17,11,3 Rom. armies would cope.
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BUT! it requires keeping (some) French war factories going and using French officers to train the auxiliary units. In other words - keeping military prowess of France at Axis expense, which Nazis frowned on.
Nobody expects the Fallschirm! Our chief weapon is surprise; surprise and fear; fear and surprise. Our 2 weapons are fear and surprise; and ruthless efficiency. Our *3* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency; and almost fanatical devotion
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What French? In Halder's diary it is written, Hitler has forbidden to strike to Kiev. It has also occurred.BDV wrote:For that - preparations to give those armies adequate firepower are needed, (feasible in form of French GPF guns, Somua tanks and upgraded 2-man tanks for Divizia Blindata and Gyorsadtest);line wrote:1 panzer group had to strike to Kiev. With Soviet the 6 and 12 army 17,11,3 Rom. armies would cope.
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BUT! it requires keeping (some) French war factories going and using French officers to train the auxiliary units. In other words - keeping military prowess of France at Axis expense, which Nazis frowned on.
Re: Encirclement of Uman
For Gruppe Antonescu to deal with the RKKA 6th and 12th Army it needs firepower, otherwise Soviets can hold Stalin Line or one of the multiple river lines.line wrote:What French? In Halder's diary it is written, Hitler has forbidden to strike to Kiev. It has also occurred.
The only additional firepower available to Axis in Summer 1941 would have to come from French industries. That would have also required training of Romanian and Hungarian troops and support personnel by French military specialists.
And this is not a case of Dorobanti being lesser soldiers than the Fuhrer's Landsers. Same happened to the 18th Army in Estonia, got to Emajogi on July 12, and took a full 6 weeks to clear northern Estonia (0.15% of total Soviet territory), despite 41st Panzer Korps advancing to the right bank of Narva and cutting Estonia off.
Bravery alone is no match for machinegun fire; das ist klar since Battaile Des Frontiers.
Nobody expects the Fallschirm! Our chief weapon is surprise; surprise and fear; fear and surprise. Our 2 weapons are fear and surprise; and ruthless efficiency. Our *3* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency; and almost fanatical devotion
Re: Encirclement of Uman
In Estonia 2 divisions fought, in the south of Ukraine 3 armies. And without French.BDV wrote: For Gruppe Antonescu to deal with the RKKA 6th and 12th Army it needs firepower, otherwise Soviets can hold Stalin Line or one of the multiple river lines.
The only additional firepower available to Axis in Summer 1941 would have to come from French industries. That would have also required training of Romanian and Hungarian troops and support personnel by French military specialists.
And this is not a case of Dorobanti being lesser soldiers than the Fuhrer's Landsers. Same happened to the 18th Army in Estonia, got to Emajogi on July 12, and took a full 6 weeks to clear northern Estonia (0.15% of total Soviet territory), despite 41st Panzer Korps advancing to the right bank of Narva and cutting Estonia off.
Bravery alone is no match for machinegun fire; das ist klar since Battaile Des Frontiers.
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In Estonia 2 armeekorps with 5 divisions struggled, and they had a small number of French heavy artillery.line wrote: In Estonia 2 divisions fought, in the south of Ukraine 3 armies. And without French.
Nobody expects the Fallschirm! Our chief weapon is surprise; surprise and fear; fear and surprise. Our 2 weapons are fear and surprise; and ruthless efficiency. Our *3* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency; and almost fanatical devotion
Re: Encirclement of Uman
From 12 to 21 July in Estonia fought 61,217 infantry divisions. July 22 -7 August 61,217,93,207,291. 20-28 of August in Tallinn operation involved 254,61,217,291 id.BDV wrote: In Estonia 2 armeekorps with 5 divisions struggled, and they had a small number of French heavy artillery.
http://lenbat.narod.ru/est.htm
Tallinn defense - the heroic defense of the capital of the Estonian SSR and the main naval base of BF during WWII. August 5 opponent came out on the distant approaches to Tallinn, and on August 8 - to the coast of the Gulf of Finland to the east of the city, cutting it with sushi. By this time, the defense of Tallinn was carried out 10th Rifle Corps, working regiment, a separate brigade of marines, several construction battalions and battalions formed from l / s naval base and cadets VVMU them. MV Frunze. They were supported by naval and coastal artillery and naval aviation. Tallinn had previously prepared defense from the land, but to create 3 defensive lines to the top of the defense were not ready. To capture the city and naval base, the German command concentrated troops of up to 60 thousand people and 20 August to resume the offensive. Soviet troops under the blows of the enemy's superior forces retreated to the main line of defense. August 27 despite the fierce resistance of the enemy broke through the defense and went into the city, where began a street fighting. In carrying out the decision the Supreme Command, the Military Council of the Navy ordered the evacuation of troops and the main naval base of the fleet in Kronstadt and Leningrad. Under cover of the fire ships and coastal artillery began landing troops and loading equipment on ships and ships which, having 20 500 people on August 28, came out of the Tallinn.
The area of fighting was restricted to the sea. Offensive had to wage a frontal, if not the sea, the Soviet troops would quickly surrounded and captured.