1945 Lost German girl

[ignacioosacar]

Dear John S,

Check pages 39 or 43 among other posts in the thread. I share Stello´s arguments regarding location

Cheers

[ignacioosacar]

Dear John S,

This is the location in my opinion.

Cheers

[John S]

Ok great. Thanks! I'll have a close look...

[fhafha]

Hi all,

coming back from my trip in central Europe.

My stay in Plzen and Rokycany was very impressive. I folowed the min road to Praha and took pictures from all sites I identified last years from the différent movies. I am now more convinced for their locations.

Regarding the LGG locations, I am more convinced it s a few dozen metters eastward and convinced the scene has two be divided in two places.

first one when walking is about 150 m eastward from the one next she is standing next to the road indicator.

From the locations, I was quiet confused about distances. In fact distances are really more compressed than expected. and all scenes on the movie are at view distances from each others. Also the slipe is very important from south going down to North. also the ditches are deeper than expected, with a road half a metter up the fields.

I will submit pictures soon, showing my LGG location and also the location for the party seating with her in the field.


Also, I had great time in Rokycany with verterants and demarkation line museum members as they were celebrating the liberation in Rokycany.

Unfortunatly, nothing new...

[FF7_12]

Interesting stuff, fhafa. Look forward to seeing the pictures....

One unresolved point from before was the location of the first shot in the LGG vid (young guy and field canteen); I have a theory about where that is, will post later.

[BERLINVOSS]

Hi Guys
Very interesting thread keep it coming!

Robert

[Plaisio]

Congratulations to everyone for an amazing thread. I came across it as a friend is doing research into the legal context of the German expulsions from Czechoslovakia and I became interested in the issue. I first saw a photo of the LGG in the Spiegel article about the expulsions (the English translation). There she is described simply as an ethnic German woman. There is also a photo of one of the German soldiers who is lying on the ground although still alive. The implication is that they were members of the local Sudeten German community, civilians who were beaten with the end of war in May 1945 and who would have been expelled. This is what I initially believed about LGG, but having read the thread I agree with its general conclusion as to the location and circumstances and the possibility that she may have been in the SS.

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo ... 425-2.html

Even so, my question is – and I’m not sure if this has been covered in the previous pages as there is so much to read – was there a German community living in this particular region and, if so, what happened to them? Is there a possibility that she may just have been a local German?

As for what is a truly haunting image, I have many thoughts. Its great potency, I believe, lies in the fact that we are witnessing a real moment in living colour, not a still black-and-white photo of people in old-fashioned clothes with poses that are odd to us today, not a horrific account in words on a page, but a real participant in a real moment, a moment of despair that gives us a glimpse into some of the horrors that war unleashed, whichever side she was on. Above all, the moment of her horror had just occurred and we are almost peeking in on whatever it was that happened to her. And, despite her swollen eye, there is her stare, directly into the camera, directly at us.

[Zootallures]

Hi Plaisio
I think that your comment carries very well the feelings of many of us.
To see colour footage of ww2 even if it's just a picture is full emotive and powerful.
I am nearer these people and these evenements.
Cheers
Alberto

[fhafha]

With my own LGG , the two different locations I think we can see in the footage. Pictures were taken at 11OO local time (I guess time zone B = Z+2)

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missing trees are still visible by their cutted trunk along the field

[fhafha]

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From the LGG location next to the roadblock (my first picture on previous post) exactly on the overside of the road, is the location i am convinced is the one for the familly scene (soldiers seating with the LGG). The mark without vegetation is still with out vegetation.

On this point I was already convinced, the two camera teams where together and filming the samething. One without hte girl, the second with.

The lake on the bottom is artificial and from the 50's

[fhafha]

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Other views u can find in the footage

[fhafha]

Congratulations to everyone for an amazing thread. I came across it as a friend is doing research into the legal context of the German expulsions from Czechoslovakia and I became interested in the issue. I first saw a photo of the LGG in the Spiegel article about the expulsions (the English translation). There she is described simply as an ethnic German woman. There is also a photo of one of the German soldiers who is lying on the ground although still alive. The implication is that they were members of the local Sudeten German community, civilians who were beaten with the end of war in May 1945 and who would have been expelled. This is what I initially believed about LGG, but having read the thread I agree with its general conclusion as to the location and circumstances and the possibility that she may have been in the SS.

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo ... 425-2.html

Even so, my question is – and I’m not sure if this has been covered in the previous pages as there is so much to read – was there a German community living in this particular region and, if so, what happened to them? Is there a possibility that she may just have been a local German?

As for what is a truly haunting image, I have many thoughts. Its great potency, I believe, lies in the fact that we are witnessing a real moment in living colour, not a still black-and-white photo of people in old-fashioned clothes with poses that are odd to us today, not a horrific account in words on a page, but a real participant in a real moment, a moment of despair that gives us a glimpse into some of the horrors that war unleashed, whichever side she was on. Above all, the moment of her horror had just occurred and we are almost peeking in on whatever it was that happened to her. And, despite her swollen eye, there is her stare, directly into the camera, directly at us.

Three pictures of the spiegel article are from the footage (man beaten, LGG, and the small boy kille). all three pictures have same location than the pictures I took on the 8th may 2015 !

[Adibach]

wow fantastic photos fhafha

[Plaisio]

Amazing pics, fhafha. I like these little Central European towns. They give the impression of having always been the way they are today, with the people almost the same, just the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of those from 70 years ago, and in many ways they are. But, there's also that other, erased history and the other, erased population groups, which today are just ghosts in the landscape.

Zootallures, and this is moving footage too, not just still photos. We see her walking, stumbling, crying, shaking her head at the camera man, a whole series of actions and emotions that in themselves tell a story, or, more accurately, cut right into the middle of an ongoing story that we will only half know.

Why was she approaching the cameraman, shaking her head at him? Had they been conversing beforehand? What had the Americans told the Germans about what the procedures were to be followed from now?

[FF7_12]

Yes, great work, Fhafa. A beautiful area in its own right actually. And you cover Myto too.

On the Spiegel thing, I don't think one can read too much into their interpretation of the picture. The magazine wanted to write an article about expelled Germans and found some pictures that fit their message, ie some beaten people who were not obviously military.

The German lobby for the people expelled - the "Bund der Vertriebenen" - is still strong and active. Even today, listening to the news on the radio, an issue concerning the legacy in Czech./Slovakia was the 5th topic covered.