Gudrun Himmler

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Post by J. Duncan » 08 Sep 2008, 09:59

From the accounts that I've read, Mrs. Burwitz (nee Gudrun Himmler) is about as cold as a block of ice. She is so mean spirited and filled with hate and venom that even Neo-Nazis find her aloof and unapproachable. She never got over the pain she went through in the immediate post-war years or the loss of what to her was the best father imaginable. She did not do the soul-searching that say, a Martin Bormann Jr. did in order to cope in a world totally different from the one in which she was raised. She's rather a sad and pathetic figure who has wasted most of her 79 years in resentment.

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Post by Ohlendorf2 » 08 Sep 2008, 17:38

Dear Vikki: Sorry about mentioning the site against regulations. And thank you, again, for your communication to me. I'll have to review the rules and stay within bounds in future. Cordially, Ohlendorf2.


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Post by Grisu » 09 Sep 2008, 21:14

BLACK NIGHT wrote:Gudrun "Püppi" Himmler is married with the autor and publisher
Wolf-Dieter Burwitz. So her name today is Gudrun Burwitz.
She was a leading member of the Wiking-Jugend (Wiking youth)
a follow-up organisation of the Hitlerjugend. In 194 this organisation was forbidden in Germany. Now she joins the "Stille Hilfe", an organisation that supports former SS members whor are in political prison. For
example Anton Malloth, a former guard in Theresienstadt or Erich Priebke in Italy. You can find her on SS meetings at the Ulrichsberg in Austria or
on the Freikorps Oberland meetings at the Annaberg. Often the former
danish SS-Obersturmführer an KC-holder Sören Kam is there a kind
of bodyguard.
I may correct this insofar, as Gudrun Burwitz does not take care of political prisoners. The first sentence on Toni Malloth was based on a Czech court decision that saw proof in his participation in war crimes (1940s), the second sentence was a criminal sentence based on a German court decision that saw evidence for murder and attempted murder (2000s). Like Malloth, Priebke was tried for war crimes (1990s).

These trials and sentences may be interpreted as political only if one does not approve of (conventions of) public international law, or if one sees the respective courts and legislations as illegitimate. So, in short, Gudrun Burwitz supports convicted war criminals, not political prisoners.

I hope this on-topic addition on the current activities of Gudrun Burwitz is in line with forum rules and guidelines.
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Post by sobel » 10 Sep 2008, 02:03

Ohlendorf2 wrote:Gudrun Himmler Burwitz is still very much alive, at age 79, and she remains active, to a degree, in National Socialist issues and the care of Third Reich Veterans. She usually does not grant interviews, receive research visitors or communicate with neo-Nazi's unless they are already introduced to her by a trusted party, such as an SS veteran (of whom very few remain alive today). She prizes her privacy, but continues when necessary to defend the actions and policies of her father, Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler. There have been some rare exceptions to her general policy of privacy, however. One example, noted in a post above, is her appearance at the Ulrichsberg Association meetings of former Waffen-SS men, which takes place annually in October in Ulrichsberg, Austria. Another example is her recent (late August, 2008) brief note communicated through "Stille Hilfe" to endorse the founding of a new National Socialist party in the United States, the American neo-Nazi Party (the ANNP).

Then perhaps it's time she went to meet her father
, sorry if this sounds extreme but any continuing endorsment of the NS regime is unacceptable. Whilst we can postulate that many members of the Waffen SS were soldlers whose only blame was "Blind obedience" to a cause they had only known or grew up with ( Was it Goebels who said give me the child and I will show you the man) and committed no crimes, the whole organisation was in the end determined to be "Criminal"
It would be a theoretically interesting subject to hear how she defends the actions of her father. Moderators if this too off-topic please delete, in respect of forum rules

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Post by Ohlendorf2 » 10 Sep 2008, 03:50

Yes, I agree with you that it would be helpful if Frau Gudrun Himmler Burwitz spoke out more publically regarding her views about her father, Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler, and about National Socialism generally, both during the period of the Third Reich and now with the neo-Nazi scene. Frau Himmler Burwitz does not grant interviews, not even to legitimate scholars, researchers or authors, and she only very rarely entertains non-NS guests, and that for a very short time only. Overall, she tries to act with the utmost discretion. If this all seems a bit "cloak and dagger," I suppose it is, BUT one must recall that the Schutzstaffel is considered a "criminal organization" by the Federal Republic of Germany, and speaking about it can get the speaker into a great deal of trouble. Gudrun Himmler Burwitz is, in a sense, under constant government "observation," her work with "Stille Hilfe" ("Silent Aid," once a charity, now an association providing help to ex-SS men, often imprisoned) is closely monitored, and her attempt to revive the Deutsche Bund Maedel/Hilter Jugend through the "Viking Youth" was ordered shut down in 1994. Still, she is active "behind the scenes" as I understand it (I am an investigative journalist and author) with the German Nationalist Party (NPD), which is under government investigation right now for National Socialist leanings. Her very recent brief letter in support of the just-founded American neo-Nazi Party (ANNP) is quite unusual; however, the "Leader" of the new ANNP has, it is my undertanding, a long-term, close family relationship with "Stille Hilfe," if not also with Frau Himmler Burwitz herself. Katrin Himmler's new volume, "The Himmler Brothers. A German Family History" (MacMillan, 2008) sheds some light on Gudrun Himmler's "silence." Also, the British scholar David Irving is working on a new volume on Heinrich Himmler and the SS's role in the Holocaust. He may impart some new insight into Gudrun Himmler Burwitz's life and psychology (?). We shall have to wait and see. I do hope that my post has been of help to you, and I also hope that I have not violated any Forum Rules. I look forward to more discourse over Gudrun Himmler Burwitz and the family of Heinrich Himmler. With thanks, Ohlendorf2. :?

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Several posts on David Irving were split into a thread in the Reference Materials section at: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1247393

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Post by Johnnyrocket » 21 Apr 2009, 13:23

I meet an 87 year old man the other day who mentioned (after I had asked him what his last name was) in casual conversation said his last name was "Himmler" (not to spook the guy) and after further conversation he admitted he was related to Heinrich Himmler. Could this be true? My question is, are there any of H. Himmler relatives living in the USA at the present time? I have no idea where to post this question except under this forum section.

THANK YOU for your time...

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Post by VeldesX » 22 Apr 2009, 17:34

Johnnyrocket wrote:My question is, are there any of H. Himmler relatives living in the USA at the present time?
THANK YOU for your time...
Johnny R.
I just read a news piece in Yale's newspaper about a touring musician with the surname Himler. I haven't seen an "Ahnentafel" of the Himmler family, but its probably fictitious like Göring's and Hitler's to include famous ancestors and hide then-living relatives who could compromise the regime. What I mean is, who knows how many sibling's Professor Himmler had, neverminding Heinrich's brothers.

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Post by ghostsoldier » 22 Apr 2009, 18:05

One cannot be surprised that the woman would not change her view of her father, whom she obviously loved and adored (and in turn, was the same, by him, despite his type of 'work')...I'm not supporting Himmler or his actions, but a child's love goes much deeper than a flawed ideology, or the crimes perpetrated by the parent(s), and I can understand her reasoning...to quote a recent Hollywood western film character, "Even bad men love their momma's." :)
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Post by Helge » 10 Jun 2011, 18:01

Gudrun und Margarete in Bozen (Italien) 1945

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Post by J. Duncan » 10 Jun 2011, 20:32

Once again Helge, you have posted some very rare and interesting photos! She was rather attractive in her younger years...not so much as a teenager but later in her early to mid 20's. She most resembles her father in the uppermost photo. It's a shame she refuses interviews or to write an account of her life, although I suspect there would be much bitterness in either case...she never got over the loss of her father. I've read in books that she has a reputation for being a cold fish and having a nasty disposition but I can't really know for sure as most books that label her a neo-Nazi are heavily biased and laced with unflattering smears. Hard to know the truth if she sees no one and refuses to talk. An easy target for journalistic writers. When smiling, she looks rather pleasant. She is now 82. No idea of how her state of health is.

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