1945 Lost German girl

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by Penn44 » 27 Oct 2013, 01:48

FF7_12 wrote:Your point on burials in an earlier post was interesting; I thought it would be worth a go at finding who is in the German cemetery in Pilsen, died 8 May 45. Probably no choice than to make the trip; there is an online database from the German wargraves people, but only searchable with a name you have already. If we could only get one name, anybody, it would help.
Given the late date in the war and the relative disintegration of the German military at the time, my concern is that elements of several German units were in Plzen at this time. The dead at Plzen may not have been from LGG's unit. If so, this makes search activities more complicated.

Some local Plzen historian and perhaps 90th Division (US) records may be able to tell you what German units were in Plzen at Stunde Null.

To keep you from driving so much, we need to find someone who can write in Czech.

Getting back to deaths: In some past research that I did on a German construction site in which US POWs were employed and an evacuation march across parts of Germany in which they were on, I found that local German town offices did record the burial of the US POWs by name in their Sterbebücher or local churches did in their own burial registries. In most cases, no one was buried without some local official recording who was buried and where. Despite Czech anger at Germans for the occupation, the Czechs may have recorded German military deaths and burials within their local communities. If yes, consult the local Czech city government offices and churches.

Years ago, I researched an alleged war crime in Merzig, Germany in 1944. I was informed that the local German church cemetery was used as a temporary burial site for German war dead before they were exhumed and reburied in German war cemetery a few years after the war. The church cemetery keeper had the names of the dead who were removed and where they were removed. More than likely, before the German war dead ended up in the German war cemetery at Plzen, they were temporarily buried in some local Czech civilian cemetery. Again, hopefully the Czech cemetery keepers or churches recorded German war dead and their removal.

Again, also check with local Plzen historians. There is almost always someone in every local community who has an interest in the history of his locale. I have also found useful some work done by local high school students on their local history.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by FF7_12 » 27 Oct 2013, 01:58

well, on one of the vids of course, we do see a Czech guy noting down details of some of the deads. Those details may have been retained.

The Czech doc talks about the Americans shooting some Germans and mentions that there was a total of x deads in Ejpovice,without saying how the rest died...

Yes, your points all make sense, and involve a lot of "spade work". The trouble is, who volunteers to actually do it ? Some need to be Czech, of course, to stand any chance.

At least the work on the LGG mates can be done "desk top", driven off the vids.


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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by Mauser K98k » 27 Oct 2013, 05:47

Back in June I noted this possible resource, which may warrant re-posting:

"Just noticed on Google Earth (49-43-37N; 13-35-11E) the "1945 Demarcation Line Museum" in Rokycany which features lots of German, American, UK, Czech and Russian weapons, tanks, trucks, etc.

I was thinking maybe someone who lives in the vicinity or will be visiting Rokycany could stop in and check out what info they may have about the Haglund Film and the events surrounding 8 May 45. After all, it happened right in their front yard.
Who knows what they may know."

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by Marcus » 27 Oct 2013, 10:33

Several of opinion posts by Penn44 containing little but negative remarks about other posters and the now unnecessary replies have been removed. Now please get back on track.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by joenix » 11 Nov 2013, 02:47

I came across this brilliant bit of detective work while searching for a relative on my family tree.
This forum came up on a google search of Flak-Regiment 12.
In the early 50's family members were searching for a missing soldier - Willy Krolzig - and put an ad in the papers. The ad listed his Feldpostnummer which I looked up on the photo-war.com site. FPNr 63719 was the Flakauswertezug Fallschirm-Flak-Regiment 12. This regiment was disbanded in March '45. Not much use here.
However, the ad then mentions he moved to Prague with a Partisan regiment. I can't make it completely out, but it might be of help to those wanting to know which regiments were around at the time of the girl's photograph. The German is written in shorthand, but it says (after mentioning Krolzig's name, birth date and town of birth), "v. ein Luftw.-Einh zu ein. Inf-Einh. zum Partisaneneinsatz nach Prag, letzte Nachr. 30.4.1945, FPNr. 63719".
I wouldn't mind a translation, either :oops:
Will be following your progress!

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by magpie1 » 13 Nov 2013, 02:15

v. a to a Luftw. pcs. Inf Unit. the partisans use to Prague last msg 30.4.1945, FPNr. 63719
google translated

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by tjp010 » 19 Nov 2013, 13:27

tanslation to joenix:


Original:
"v. ein Luftw.-Einh zu ein. Inf-Einh. zum Partisaneneinsatz nach Prag, letzte Nachr. 30.4.1945, FPNr. 63719"

= in plain German:
„…von einer Luftwaffen-Einheit zu einer Infanterie-Einheit zum Partisaneneinsatz nach Prag, letzte Nachricht 30. April 1945, Feldpostnummer 63719“

= in English:
„… from an Airforce-Unit to an Infantry-Unit at Prague to fight Guerillas, last message from April 30th, 1945, Fieldpost-No. 63719”

Meaning:
The Luftwaffe-soldier was ordered to an Infantry unit to fight the guerrilla (partisan) groups around Prague. He seems to be missed in action since April 30th, 1945.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by mac216 » 23 Nov 2013, 20:35

German military females in trousers.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by Marcus » 23 Nov 2013, 20:37

:welcome:

Please remember to post the source (website, book etc) of the images you post.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by mac216 » 23 Nov 2013, 21:59

Apologies...Google Images..."German SS Girls".

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by Marcus » 23 Nov 2013, 22:01

mac216 wrote:Apologies...Google Images..."German SS Girls".
Please provide the link to the page where the photo was located.

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Post by Marcus » 23 Nov 2013, 22:12

Thanks.

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Post by mac216 » 23 Nov 2013, 22:37

There is a more in-depth account of the Plzen area at this time here:

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/ww ... n1945.aspx

I have not seen this on the previous 90 pages although I may have missed it. Apparently there were pockets of German resistance around Plzen, snipers etc. Word of the surrender (or impending surrender) did not get through to all the Germans, hence some carried on fighting, I just wonder if these are the dead/dying Germans shown in the film(s).
Of particular note is the fact that the Americans supplied fuel to the Germans so that they could move their vehicles.
Great thread by the way, I have been following it for a while hoping for an answer. Unfortunately it seems to be running out of steam so I have been following up with my own research (not easy!). Somebody at some stage pointed out the exact site of the dead German boy. Looking at the site on Google Maps it is at a crossroads with plenty of cover, ideal point for an ambush.
Please keep up the good work. Mac. :thumbsup:

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

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Post by Mies2013 » 29 Nov 2013, 02:14

You know the story: Saw the clip on Youtube, was completely blow away by her. Saw the comments that the case had been solved, read through 91 pages...
And now i am sitting here, still looking at her clips, but feeling empty.

I so much wanted to know her story.

After the tremendous effort that people made on this board, and not finding out about her, i would like to make a humble suggestion.

Find still active newspapers in that region (or the whole of Germany for all i care), bring the search to their attention.

Hope for the best.

So many people to be seen in the shots...there must be someone left who knows more.

Thanks for all the work u guys have done. It has been enlightening.

Michel Beekveld
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