1945 Lost German girl
Re: 1945 Lost German girl
Yes, the vast majority of the female SS flak unit in Prague certainly left the city on the evening of 8th May, and surrendered near Rokycany on the afternoon of the 9th to the Americans, as part of the long columns featured on the 9th May film (featuring Haglund and "jovial" SS Obersturmbannführer).
The LGG vid is around midday on 8th, so that counts her out as a member of the Prague SS flak unit if you accept that absolutely all the girls held out in Prague until the evening of the 8th May, which is the official account in the Rüdiger book. The account is hardly objective stuff, however, and tends to glorify the whole thing, heroic retreat etc, so it doesn't necessarily have to be believed in its every detail. This is only relevant obviously if you think there is some substance to the photo comparison. Most of you don't...
Back to the spotlight unit in Kysice/Klabava, I have seen other stories of flak girls being discharged around 5 May, being told "you can go home now, thank's for everything...". That was not too helpful if you were stuck in the middle of hostile territory!....The girls being sent off to Pilsen as you have read in the chronicle is consistent.
LGG from another SS unit ? According to the Rüdiger book, the use of girls in SS (as opposed to Luftwaffe) flak units, other than Prague was very rare. The unit in Prague was set up to protect the Hradschin castle - there was a significant SS presence there.
I haven't (yet) come across anything which indicates the presence of such a unit near Pilsen.
Other possibilities ? Holleischen (Holysov) near Pilsen was a concentration camp attached to Flössenburg with female prisoners, guarded by quite a number of female SS guards. That was liberated by partisans on 4th May and the guards were taken away. Possibly unlikely - there would have been more girls with LGG than appears to be the case on the vid.
The LGG vid is around midday on 8th, so that counts her out as a member of the Prague SS flak unit if you accept that absolutely all the girls held out in Prague until the evening of the 8th May, which is the official account in the Rüdiger book. The account is hardly objective stuff, however, and tends to glorify the whole thing, heroic retreat etc, so it doesn't necessarily have to be believed in its every detail. This is only relevant obviously if you think there is some substance to the photo comparison. Most of you don't...
Back to the spotlight unit in Kysice/Klabava, I have seen other stories of flak girls being discharged around 5 May, being told "you can go home now, thank's for everything...". That was not too helpful if you were stuck in the middle of hostile territory!....The girls being sent off to Pilsen as you have read in the chronicle is consistent.
LGG from another SS unit ? According to the Rüdiger book, the use of girls in SS (as opposed to Luftwaffe) flak units, other than Prague was very rare. The unit in Prague was set up to protect the Hradschin castle - there was a significant SS presence there.
I haven't (yet) come across anything which indicates the presence of such a unit near Pilsen.
Other possibilities ? Holleischen (Holysov) near Pilsen was a concentration camp attached to Flössenburg with female prisoners, guarded by quite a number of female SS guards. That was liberated by partisans on 4th May and the guards were taken away. Possibly unlikely - there would have been more girls with LGG than appears to be the case on the vid.
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FF7_12: As first congratulations on your victory over Brazil.
I don't think she belonged to any unit from Prague, glad Iam not the only one. There were a lot of units retreating and trying to get into US occupation zone.
Iam not saying she was in a camp around Pilsen area, you know, maybe she came with her colleagues from Poland. To be honest, until I started, I didn't know much about women in german army in general, during WW2. As I said before there is whole (or at least what was saved) documentation from Germans during occupation in Czech National Archive, but I won't be able to get there until Semptember and later. As I mentioned before, best chance to identify her would be in US soldiers reports, you know, something like: "..during our trip to Ejpovice we have met a unit, that shot some SS soldiers and also a girl from...unit..she continued to Pilsen/she was placed in improvised POW camp..". Something like that, in CNA there will be whole list of units, propably even the SS unit that came 22.4. as I mentioned before. Shame is that in chronicles there is no info about units and if there is any, it's only about US units.
About SS units units in Protectorate, there were also SS police units, sorry can't recall correct name now, around whole country, they were helping Gestapo with bigger operations against resistance, like killing paratropers after killing of Heydrich.
About other possibilities, who know, maybe she was something like girl in movie Fall of the Third Reich. She was just a working civilian but during retreat, they told her, take the uniform so that Americans will take you as a prisoner of war instead of Russians.
There a possibilities -
1. she was member of flak/spotlight unit that came as it's mentioned in chronicle
2. she was girlfriend/wife of one of the soldiers and just continued with him back to Germany
3. she was member of any unit in any prison/concetration camp and other SS soldiers were just her colleagues from that camp
I don't see any other option, because if there are any, I have question. Why would she stayed alone with male soldiers, especially SS units, which were hated by everyone? If you look on the uniforms of the soldiers, they are not "battle hardened", which brings me closer to idea that they were some unit that was operating in rear, flak/spotlight, SS unit on occupied territory, guards in a camp...something like that.
What's the name of Rüdiger book? I would like to read it, just to be informed.
I don't knwo if there will be any info in German Nationa Archive, because of the chaos at the end of the war, so I still thinks if there is any American able to get to national archive and check the units reports, it would help us most, because we will know, where she was moved and she will be somewhere on the list. There are two possibilities, she was with first SS/German units that were placed in POW camp near Ejpovice or she was on of teh last that was sent to Pilsen.
I don't think she belonged to any unit from Prague, glad Iam not the only one. There were a lot of units retreating and trying to get into US occupation zone.
Iam not saying she was in a camp around Pilsen area, you know, maybe she came with her colleagues from Poland. To be honest, until I started, I didn't know much about women in german army in general, during WW2. As I said before there is whole (or at least what was saved) documentation from Germans during occupation in Czech National Archive, but I won't be able to get there until Semptember and later. As I mentioned before, best chance to identify her would be in US soldiers reports, you know, something like: "..during our trip to Ejpovice we have met a unit, that shot some SS soldiers and also a girl from...unit..she continued to Pilsen/she was placed in improvised POW camp..". Something like that, in CNA there will be whole list of units, propably even the SS unit that came 22.4. as I mentioned before. Shame is that in chronicles there is no info about units and if there is any, it's only about US units.
About SS units units in Protectorate, there were also SS police units, sorry can't recall correct name now, around whole country, they were helping Gestapo with bigger operations against resistance, like killing paratropers after killing of Heydrich.
About other possibilities, who know, maybe she was something like girl in movie Fall of the Third Reich. She was just a working civilian but during retreat, they told her, take the uniform so that Americans will take you as a prisoner of war instead of Russians.
There a possibilities -
1. she was member of flak/spotlight unit that came as it's mentioned in chronicle
2. she was girlfriend/wife of one of the soldiers and just continued with him back to Germany
3. she was member of any unit in any prison/concetration camp and other SS soldiers were just her colleagues from that camp
I don't see any other option, because if there are any, I have question. Why would she stayed alone with male soldiers, especially SS units, which were hated by everyone? If you look on the uniforms of the soldiers, they are not "battle hardened", which brings me closer to idea that they were some unit that was operating in rear, flak/spotlight, SS unit on occupied territory, guards in a camp...something like that.
What's the name of Rüdiger book? I would like to read it, just to be informed.
I don't knwo if there will be any info in German Nationa Archive, because of the chaos at the end of the war, so I still thinks if there is any American able to get to national archive and check the units reports, it would help us most, because we will know, where she was moved and she will be somewhere on the list. There are two possibilities, she was with first SS/German units that were placed in POW camp near Ejpovice or she was on of teh last that was sent to Pilsen.
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Firstly, its a nice thought, but I'm not actually German, though am living there long term. My national team (of origin) left the tournament at the group stage....
The Rüdiger book ( in German....) is titled "Zur Problematik von Soldatinnen - der Kampfeinsatz von Flakwaffenhelferinnen...".
cheers
The Rüdiger book ( in German....) is titled "Zur Problematik von Soldatinnen - der Kampfeinsatz von Flakwaffenhelferinnen...".
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Didn't know that.
Anyway thanks for the name of the book.
Anyway thanks for the name of the book.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl
Dear Forum,
Interesting official movie regarding German POW`s under US Army custody. Of course, this is what the book says. LGG should have gone through this.
Cheers
Ignacio
Interesting official movie regarding German POW`s under US Army custody. Of course, this is what the book says. LGG should have gone through this.
Cheers
Ignacio
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Dear Forum,
(sorry for my english Iam Czech)
I have been searching some informations about Ejpovice and i found web site about one soldier - weasel driver. He was in Ejpovice in 1945 in May. His son has made this small topic about that time. I don't know if it is useful for the LGG issue but maybe they will be opened for some questions….and they will know something.
Here is the link : http://ken-kim-ukraine.blogspot.cz/2013 ... -2013.html
(sorry for my english Iam Czech)
I have been searching some informations about Ejpovice and i found web site about one soldier - weasel driver. He was in Ejpovice in 1945 in May. His son has made this small topic about that time. I don't know if it is useful for the LGG issue but maybe they will be opened for some questions….and they will know something.
Here is the link : http://ken-kim-ukraine.blogspot.cz/2013 ... -2013.html
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And I found this, but Iam not sure if it's not fiction. It tells quite detailed story of the LGG but I think it is a fake http://aerialphenomena.blogspot.cz/2012 ... woman.html
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Dear Forum,
The story submited by Mikaela is obviously fiction , but I enjoyed it and it is worth reading it. Firstly the writer had to read the 95 pages . Quite an effort . Finally, selecting the relevant data and fixing it togehter into this story takes a considerable time and dedication. It`s nice for a movie script.
Cheers all !
Ignacio
The story submited by Mikaela is obviously fiction , but I enjoyed it and it is worth reading it. Firstly the writer had to read the 95 pages . Quite an effort . Finally, selecting the relevant data and fixing it togehter into this story takes a considerable time and dedication. It`s nice for a movie script.
Cheers all !
Ignacio
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Yes, it read like an fiction story..but then sometimes real life is so that
it reads like fiction.
it reads like fiction.
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Welcome to the Forum Mikaela !
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I agree with that; it is well written.ignacioosacar wrote:Dear Forum,
The story submited by Mikaela is obviously fiction , but I enjoyed it and it is worth reading it. Firstly the writer had to read the 95 pages . Quite an effort . Finally, selecting the relevant data and fixing it togehter into this story takes a considerable time and dedication. It`s nice for a movie script.
Cheers all !
Ignacio
Inaccuracies, or should one say "poetic licence", for example:
Fortunately for Lore and Emi, a regiment of the Panzer Division Das Reich managed to reach the city and could help them to escape escorted by soldiers to join groups of civil and military German refugees in a convoy of more than a thousand vehicles towards Pilsen on the evening of May 7.
Das Reich didn't leave Prague until evening of May 8......
The comment about Prague airport:
Also part of the Deutschland Regiment stationed east of Prague near the airport Ruzyne tried to reach the American lines. However, only a few succeeded
is useful, however, and may be worth pursuing. I believe that the breakout from Ruzyne was on the 7th.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl
Hello everyone!
I heard of Lost German Girl's story a few months ago and it really touched me.
I also saw the photo that might be a photo of her.
So I thought it would be interesting to try to draw a portrait of her... in color!
Hope you like it and it doesn't bother you (because it's not very helpful for the discussion).
Have a nice day!
I heard of Lost German Girl's story a few months ago and it really touched me.
I also saw the photo that might be a photo of her.
So I thought it would be interesting to try to draw a portrait of her... in color!
Hope you like it and it doesn't bother you (because it's not very helpful for the discussion).
Have a nice day!
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Dear LizzielLestrange,
Welcome to the Forum!
It is a great idea! What I propose to you , given your natural artistic talent, is to draw a portrait of LGG based on the original film caption. As you know your drawing is based on a previously published photo which is probably not her, according to some anthropometric comparisons made by Stello. The photo Issue is still open to debate.
What it could be done is removing the swollen eye and cheekbone, comb her preserving the same hair style ( she has a lot of dense hair!) , dress her up in a tidy helferin uniform ( still we don`t agree which uniform ), and perhaps give her a relaxed expression. This was done in the past by a forum member with photoshop.
I suppose you can do this and it will very much appreciated by most of us.
Cheers
Ignacio
Welcome to the Forum!
It is a great idea! What I propose to you , given your natural artistic talent, is to draw a portrait of LGG based on the original film caption. As you know your drawing is based on a previously published photo which is probably not her, according to some anthropometric comparisons made by Stello. The photo Issue is still open to debate.
What it could be done is removing the swollen eye and cheekbone, comb her preserving the same hair style ( she has a lot of dense hair!) , dress her up in a tidy helferin uniform ( still we don`t agree which uniform ), and perhaps give her a relaxed expression. This was done in the past by a forum member with photoshop.
I suppose you can do this and it will very much appreciated by most of us.
Cheers
Ignacio
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl
Hello my name is Carsten. I volunteer for a subsidiary branch of the National lnstitute on Geneological Research.
The identity of your "lost German girl" is Lara Bauer (b. 3 Feb. 1921 - d. 30 Oct. 1994) Born in Kollerschlag, Austria
Baptized Roman Catholic
Worked for Pan Am airlines 1965-1985
No specific information available regarding ww2.
This was not easy for my coleage to find.
Sources/photo: http://sites.google.com/site/feegermanancestry/
http://www.geneabloggers.com/search-gen ... ber-blogs/
The identity of your "lost German girl" is Lara Bauer (b. 3 Feb. 1921 - d. 30 Oct. 1994) Born in Kollerschlag, Austria
Baptized Roman Catholic
Worked for Pan Am airlines 1965-1985
No specific information available regarding ww2.
This was not easy for my coleage to find.
Sources/photo: http://sites.google.com/site/feegermanancestry/
http://www.geneabloggers.com/search-gen ... ber-blogs/