Rosina Kramer: wife of SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer

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Rosina Kramer: wife of SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer

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Post by Helge » 20 Jul 2013, 04:42

Rosina Kramer: wife of SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer. Wedding date: 16t October 1937. The children were three.
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Post by Ponury » 20 Jul 2013, 15:51

Kramer, one of the worst killers. At least 400,000 people have on their conscience in Poland and Germany. As you would be married to a monster like Kramer?


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Post by WibbleFishBanana » 21 Jul 2013, 15:36

Helge, it would be nice of you if you display the source of this photograph - and ask the owner for permission to use it!

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Post by history1 » 21 Jul 2013, 19:12

WibbleFishBanana wrote:Helge, it would be nice of you if you display the source of this photograph - and ask the owner for permission to use it!
Well, here I can only agree.

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Post by Marcus » 21 Jul 2013, 19:35

Listing the source is a requirement, asking for permission before posting is not.

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Post by Helge » 22 Jul 2013, 05:56

WibbleFishBanana wrote:Helge, it would be nice of you if you display the source of this photograph - and ask the owner for permission to use it!

The origin of the image is printed on the photo.

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Post by Marcus » 22 Jul 2013, 07:54

Helge wrote:
WibbleFishBanana wrote:Helge, it would be nice of you if you display the source of this photograph - and ask the owner for permission to use it!
The origin of the image is printed on the photo.
Considering that the very small font size makes it almost impossible to read the source on the photo, please also write it in the post.

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Post by Helge » 22 Jul 2013, 08:21

Marcus Wendel wrote:
Helge wrote:
WibbleFishBanana wrote:Helge, it would be nice of you if you display the source of this photograph - and ask the owner for permission to use it!
The origin of the image is printed on the photo.
Considering that the very small font size makes it almost impossible to read the source on the photo, please also write it in the post.

/Marcus
OK Marcus: http://bergenbelsen.co.uk/

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Post by history1 » 22 Jul 2013, 09:23

Marcus Wendel wrote: Listing the source is a requirement, asking for permission before posting is not.
/Marcus
Marcus, you know that I explained you that there must be the full source posted that it can be considered as citation.
NOT only the homepage of a website or the title of a book! It´s also not a determining factor that there´s a advertising of the website in the image already.

In this case the correct citation is:
THEN it´s a citation which is allowed without permission of the owner, but so it was simple a infringement of copyright.

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Post by Marcus » 22 Jul 2013, 09:28

As I have explained to you it is accepted within Swedish copyright practice (and the server is in Sweden) to give the site/book only and not the exact page link/number, in cases such as websites. Of course it is better to give a more exact information but it is not a requirement.

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Post by Helge » 22 Jul 2013, 12:37

Marcus Wendel wrote:
Helge wrote:
WibbleFishBanana wrote:Helge, it would be nice of you if you display the source of this photograph - and ask the owner for permission to use it!
The origin of the image is printed on the photo.
Considering that the very small font size makes it almost impossible to read the source on the photo, please also write it in the post.

/Marcus
I simply wrote the web address that appears on the photograph.

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Re: Rosina Kramer: wife of SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer

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Post by Karlaise jules » 22 Dec 2013, 06:28

Ponury wrote:Kramer, one of the worst killers. At least 400,000 people have on their conscience in Poland and Germany. As you would be married to a monster like Kramer?

I readed the trial of Krammer and other 44, and in this, Rosina talks about Kramer like a good men in her house, but obvious that´s happened in her home because in the camp he was a monster

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Post by Helly Angel » 27 Dec 2013, 23:41

Someone know something about the history or fate of Rosina?

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Post by WibbleFishBanana » 19 Mar 2014, 20:24

Helly Angel wrote:Someone know something about the history or fate of Rosina?

TIA,

InTom Segev's book 'Soldiers of Evil' provides the following info:

She remarried, changed her name and became a teacher. When she retired she moved in with her son, somewhere in the area of Bergen-Belsen

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