Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by Kunikov » 14 Mar 2008, 19:10

Prit wrote:Kunikov,

Yes, I'm still very interested in this! Could you give me any details of this book?

Art, thanks++ for the links.

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Here's a link, my review is the only one there so far:
http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-Pillau ... 688&sr=8-1

Kobylyanskiy started the war as a 76-mm infantry support gun crew commander for the 300th Rifle Division (and its later incarnations) and celebrated V-E Day as a battery commander. His combat journey was a long process of exhausting marches punctuated by harrowing moments of intense combat. From the liberation of Sevastopol, through Lithuania's countryside, to the final storming of Königsberg's heavy fortifications, Kobylyanskiy's memoir sweeps across the great expanses of the Eastern Front. His narrative is packed with dramatic details and insights into the daily life of the Soviet army: the relentless marches to locate and engage the enemy, the prejudicial treatment of female soldiers, and the plight of Soviet civilians.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Many thanks.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by Prit » 17 Mar 2008, 08:50

Dear Art and ToKu

I've jus been looking at your figures, and struggling without success to square them with the oft-quoted 60,000 Soviet casualties in the fighting.

Given the Soviet superiority in artillery, and the desperate shortage of ammunition within the city, I find the 60,000 figure hard to believe, unless it refers to all Soviet casualties from the moment they reached the city in January. Even then, it seems a huge figure.

ToKu, does your Polish book give any further figures on casualties?

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by ToKu » 20 Mar 2008, 17:42

It's Polish edition of Russian book.

It gives no info on Russian losses except the info given before and another summary of armoured vehicles lost by 3rd Bellorussian in 13th January - 27th March time period.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by FreyFox » 02 Apr 2008, 12:09

The official information

April 6 -- of loss for day: 1840 killed and 6830 is wounded

April 7 -- of loss for day: 2660 killed and 9870 is wounded

April 8 -- of loss for day: 2866 killed and 10633 is wounded

April 9 -- of loss for day: 1864 killed and 6916 is wounded

The number died of wounds is not known to me.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by Art » 02 Apr 2008, 13:39

Hello, FreyFox. And what is the source and to what units does it pertain?

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Post by FreyFox » 02 Apr 2008, 16:22

It was the publication by anniversary of storm of city. If want, I can her(it) lay out everything, but in Russian.
It is necessary?

As for example, loss killed 43 armies have made 1100 men.

Excuse for bad English I use by the interpreter

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Post by Art » 02 Apr 2008, 16:50

I don't know about other members, but I'm definitely interested in your material.
As for example, loss killed 43 armies have made 1100 men.
Aha, that is the same number as the one given by Beloborodov in his memoirs.

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Post by FreyFox » 02 Apr 2008, 17:22

Well, text in Russian. Also there are some maps of fights in city. Are necessary?

...Ранним утром передовые батальоны штурмующих армий начали разведку боем, убедившись, что первая линия обороны противником не очищена. В 9.00 наступающая на город с юга 11-я гвардейская армия предприняла артподготовку, через час заговорили пушки 39-й, 43-й и 50-й армий, действовавших на севере.
Ровно в полдень начался общий штурм пехотой и танками со всех направлений.
Блокированы форты №№ 8 и 10, оборонявшие сектор современных улиц Суворова – Дзержинского. Завязались бои в пригородных поселках Кальген (Чайковское и Суворово) и Шпайхерсдорф (Южный).

К 14.00 советские войска вышли к озеру (нынешнее оз. Летнее) на окраине Понарта (Балтрайон). Блокированы форты №№ 4, 5 и 5а. Захвачен район Байдриттен (северная часть пос. Первомайский), развернулись бои в районах Нойхуфен и Шарлоттенбург (пос. Лермонтовский). Ближе к вечеру захвачена городская радиостанция и перерезана железная дорога на Пиллау.

Потери наступающих за день: 1840 убитых и 6830 раненых.



7 апреля

Утром капитулировали форты №№ 5а, 10, штурмом взят форт № 4. Продолжились бои за Шарлоттенбург. В первой половине дня штурмующие достигли Коперникуса (ул. Лейтенанта Катина), захватили мост в ее южной части. После короткого боя пал форт № 11. К полудню советские части достигли Зюдпарка (парк им. 40-летия ВЛКСМ).
Во второй половине дня было сломлено сопротивление гарнизона форта № 8. Немцы отступили из поселка Шенбуш (Садовое) и практически без боя оставили судостроительный завод «Шихау» («Янтарь»). Главный инженер не выполнил команду на подрыв загодя заминированного предприятия.
Вечером сдался форт № 12. Наступающие войска обошли с востока район Розенау (часть Московского района) и вышли к Старому Прегелю. Поздно вечером от оборонявшихся очищена территория порта. Советские войска начали форсировать Прегель, захватив плацдарм на правом берегу реки. К концу дня велись бои за Хауптбанхоф (Южный вокзал).

Суточные потери составили 2660 убитых и 9870 раненых .



8 апреля

После ночной атаки советские войска вышли к Обер-тайх (оз. Верхнее). Утром капитулировал форт № 5. Взят район Ротенштайн (пос. Кутузово). Советские танки по Замиттер-аллее (ул. Горького) начали продвижение к Нордбанхоф (Северному вокзалу). Захвачены товарная станция и опорный пункт с центром во Фридрихсбургских воротах. Штурмующие овладели двухъярусным мостом через Прегель.

К 13.00 взяты вагоностроительный завод «Штайнфурт» и станция Ратсхоф (Калининград-Западный). Еще через час наступающие части встретились в поселке Растхоф (Воздушный) и районе Амалиенау (у к-тра «Победа»), практически завершив окружение города. Стрелковые подразделения подошли к Хагенштрассе (ул. К. Маркса).
Вечером занят стадион («Трудовые резервы») на Замиттер-аллее, в разгаре бои в зоопарке. 20.00 – взято здание Товарной биржи (ДКМ). К концу дня от немецких войск полностью очищена южная часть города.

Потери штурмующих за день – 2866 убитых и 10633 раненых.



9 апреля

В 19.00 пресечена попытка прорыва в районе кладбища (ЦПКиО). Отбив атаку немцев, советские войска захватили кварталы восточнее и северо-восточнее кладбища, приблизившись к Симон-платц (стадион «Балтика») и Нордбанхоф (Северный вокзал). Утром форсирован Альтер Прегель (Старая Преголя), завязался бой на острове Кнайпхоф (Канта). На правом фланге, перейдя оба рукава реки, гвардейские части ворвались в восточную часть Кенигсберга. В 9.00 сдался форт № 3.

Во второй половине дня в результате непродолжительного, но ожесточенного боя, захвачены Закхаймские и Королевские ворота. По Закхайму (Моспроспект) и Кенигштрассе (ул. Фрунзе), штурмующие к вечеру приблизились к Королевскому замку. Захвачен аэродром «Девау» (район ул. Молодой гвардии), войска 50-й и 11-й армий соединились.

В 19.00 захвачен Королевский замок. Комендант крепости Отто Ляш вступил в переговоры о капитуляции. 22.45 – немецким войскам командованием отдан приказ о прекращении сопротивления.

Потери советских войск в течение суток оценены в 1864 убитых и 6916 раненых.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by Art » 03 Apr 2008, 11:20

Did they provide any references to archival sources, I mean the name of the document or TsAMO reference? And where is the information on the 43rd Army's losses from?

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Post by FreyFox » 03 Apr 2008, 12:19

No, unfortunately references to archives there was not, simple publication by anniversary of storm.
I can assume, that she was based on museum sources of Kaliningrad.
Unfortunately it is a unique(sole) source, where the losses on days during storm are given.
Greater I yet did not find.

Concerning losses 43 armies, it was taken from clause of the генерал-полковника Хлебникова, where
He results these figures as an example of very small losses storming.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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Post by Bydlo » 17 Apr 2014, 02:27

The Red Army suffered 3700 casualties during the assault on Konigsberg.

http://kaliningrad.kp.ru/daily/25880.4/2843410/

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Post by Art » 17 Jun 2015, 23:37

According to the 3 Belorussian Front report the following losses were suffered from 1 to 10 April 1945:
11 Guards Army - 1560 killed, 156 missing, 5764 wounded, 363 sick, total 7843 men
43 Army - 1236 killed, 59 missing, 5224 wounded, 566 sick, total 7085
50 Army - 710 killed, 2189 wounded, 237 sick, total 3136
In all the three armies assaulting Konigsber:
3506 killed, 215 missing, 13177 wounded, 1166 sick, total 18064
Apparently few casualties were suffered before 6 April.
Quoted in G. Kretinin's article with reference to TsAMO RF, f. 241, op.2593, d. 868, l.239
According to the same article the number of German POWs reported from 6 to 10 April was:
39 Army - 661
43 Army - 23 315
50 Army - 10 898
11 Guards Army - 57 640
Total 92 514 prisoners. Similar numbers were reported to Stavka and the press communique of 10 April reported 92 thousands prisoners taken in the city. Further investigation revealed about 28 thousands civilians among prisoners, or in exact numbers:
39 Army - 414
43 Army - 8297
50 Army - 410
11 Guards Army - 19 237
From 6 to 14 April 1945 44841 prisoners were handed over to the NKVD, 5200 remained in intel organs, and 4000 in hospitals. 16535 prisoners were outside POW system (assigned to labor employment or in military units). So the total arrival of prisoners was not greater than 70 500.

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Re: Soviet casualties in Königsberg

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War diary of the 43 Army/3 Belorussian Front on losses at Konigsberg (TSAMO RF, f.298, op. 9308, d. 909, ll.252-253):
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From 6 to 10 April 1944 casualties were equal to:
killed in action 111 officers + 289 NCO + 813 privates = 1213 men
wounded 437+1158+3511 = 5106 men
sick 25+90+407 = 522
missing 1+20+38 = 59
Total 6900 men
Weapons losses: 421 rifles, 379 submachine guns, 30 and 32 medium light machine guns, 11 82-mm mortars, 5 120-mm mortars, 5 45-mm AT guns, 9 76-mm regimental guns, 8 76-mm divisional guns, 1 122-mm howitzer, 3 SP-guns.

Casualties by day according to the war diary:
6 April - 197 killed, 720 wounded
7 April - 310 killed, 1379 wounded
8 April - 165 killed, 825 wounded
9 April - 322 killed, 1174 wounded
10 April - 102 killed, 541 wounded
Reports are preliminary and differ somewhat from the final count.

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Post by Art » 20 Jun 2015, 14:48

Casualties of the 50 Army according to daily sit reports (TSAMO RF, f.405, d.9769, d.471):
1.04 - 4 wounded
2.04 - 1 killed, 12 wounded
3.04 - 9 wounded
4.04 - 7 killed, 9 wounded
5.04 - 47 killed, 148 wounded
6.04 - 258 killed, 758 wounded
7.04 - 159 killed, 609 wounded
8.04 - 159 killed, 703 wounded
9.04 - 153 killed, 501 wounded
10.04 - 20 killed, 93 wounded

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