122 mm howitzer M1910/30 modernized in 1937

[Manuferey]

What is this gun? It looks Russian with a similar barrel to the 76 mm M.1927 Regimental Gun but the shield and wheels are different.



Source: http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/ ... tLinea.htm (last picture at the bottom of the page)

Emmanuel

[Ironmachine]

Just an idea, but have you considered the possibility that those are not the original shield and wheels of that gun?

[Manuferey]

It's a possiblity but do we have any other examples of guns in the Civil War that were fitted with new wheels and new shields?

Emmanuel

[Ironmachine]

I can't remember now (leaving aside the M.27 Hotchkiss guns from old T-18 tanks, which was not the same case, really) any example of a gun model that was fitted with new wheels and shields during the SCW. But, on the other hand, it is quite possible that individual guns were so fitted due to damage in combat or being captured without some parts. And of course, there is always the possibility that this was not done during the war, but much later when the gun in question was refitted to be shown in the museum.
Regards.

[Manuferey]

OK. Thank you Ironmachine.

Emmanuel

[Manuferey]

There is some resemblance with the 12 cm L20 m32 from Kongsberg (Norway): similar shield and wheels with 8 holes (but different shapes of holes).



Source: http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... /some+more
Emmanuel

[nuyt]

No, the wheels are typical Rheinmetall wheels. For Spain that meant they had these on the Cndor Legion's 10cm K18 and the Soviet 76,2mm AA gun (R'metall design), captured from the Republicans.
The weapon itself looks Schneiderish (155mm how, 10 cm mountain gun?). For sure this piece with wheels as shown is not to be found in The excellent Armas de la GC book....

[nuyt]

Could be a Putilov 1909 152 mm howitzer with the wheels of the AA gun? 24 received in 1937, 5 "recuperados" by the Nationalists after the war.
Could also have been a Soviet update (a 1930 modification). Have seen variants of these versions before, usually the wheels were different, depending on the production site...

[Manuferey]

The wheels do not quite look like the "Rheinmetall" wheels: the holes seem larger in comparison to the diameter of the wheels.

There's an explanation panel in front of the gun on the picture. Does any of our Spanich members have to chance to go to the museum where the picture has been taken?

Emmanuel

[nuyt]

Emannuel, the wheels look very similar to the ones of a 76,2 mm AA gun on one of the pics in the Armas book....

[Ironmachine]

This one:

GCE_Kursaal_M31.jpg (128.6 KiB) Viewed 2147 times

http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/ ... /ArtAA.htm

[nuyt]

Certo!

[nuyt]

The wheels are also very similar to the ones fitted on the Portuguese version of the lFh18
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... es+%281%29

Could the Spanish museum piece also be a German adaptation of a Soviet weapon, delivered in one of the German-Spanish armament deals after the Civil War?

[ain92]

Here's a screenshot from the catalogue of Artillery Historian Museum in Leningrad (1961). The howitzer with barrel number 326 was modernised in 1937, it has participated in the GPW, nothing in particular.
PS
The picture seems to be made in this museum (New Arsenal building) in my city — the columns are very similar (compare with http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5309/311 ... 8e50_L.jpg). Unfortunately the room No. 4 (1917—1941 period) is in very bad condition now, AFAIK nothing is exhibited there and the museum has no money to repair it. The similar situation is with afterwar room No. 7.

[Manuferey]

Spassiba, Ilya!

Great detective work! We've finally have an answer after 3 1/2 years: a 122 mm howitzer M1910/30 modernized in 1937.

Since the museum is in Russia and not in Spain, that means that this type of gun shown on the first picture of this post was not in Republican hands, only the 107 mm model in front of it.

Unfortunately, I cannot correct the title of this thread. Maybe the admin can help and move it then in the "Soviet Union at War" section.

Emmanuel