British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Moscow?
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British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Moscow?
Last night a documentary on British TV by Jeremy Clarkson on the loss of convoy PQ17 stated that earlier convoy operations were so important that three quarters of the tanks used by the USSR in its Moscow counter-offensive were British built.
This seems improbable to me.
Has anyone got the hard facts on this?
Cheers,
Sid.
This seems improbable to me.
Has anyone got the hard facts on this?
Cheers,
Sid.
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
Your doubts are justified, I guess. See the earlier thread:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=145031
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=145031
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
Sid and Art
I am reading David Stahel's interesting re-evaluation of the 1941 Battle of Kiev and he reckons that British aid played an important part, not decisive, in the Moscow counter-offensive.
I am not commenting, just passing on information.
The book is well worth reading if you are interested in the Eastern Front/Greater Patriotic War
I am reading David Stahel's interesting re-evaluation of the 1941 Battle of Kiev and he reckons that British aid played an important part, not decisive, in the Moscow counter-offensive.
I am not commenting, just passing on information.
The book is well worth reading if you are interested in the Eastern Front/Greater Patriotic War
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
For information in early December 1941 Soviet forces in the Moscow sector (West, Kalinin, right wing of the South-West Front) possessed some 800 tanks. No way some 300 British tanks received by that day could make 3/4 of them. As I've said earlier the real number seems to be from several dozens to one hundred something.
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
I dug up a little and found this interesting site:
http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/russian/ind ... htm~rumain
It doesn't list the manifest but I dug up another site, its the Russian embassy in the UK and it has interesting info.:
http://www.rusemb.org.uk/arcticalliedconvoys/
It seems 750 Tanks were indeed delivered by Dec. 41 but How many were sent to Moscow and how many were sent to Leningrad I have no answer.
http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/russian/ind ... htm~rumain
It doesn't list the manifest but I dug up another site, its the Russian embassy in the UK and it has interesting info.:
http://www.rusemb.org.uk/arcticalliedconvoys/
It seems 750 Tanks were indeed delivered by Dec. 41 but How many were sent to Moscow and how many were sent to Leningrad I have no answer.
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
I believe stats on British tanks received by the Soviet military are known, see the page already referred to in another topic:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/ ... neral1.htm
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/ ... neral1.htm
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
From what I read in Jane's WWII Tanks the numbers supplied by British/Canadian governments is 4491 tanks (table in p .160). From the US DoD report in 1915 the number was 7172 tanks over all which seems to contradict the site above.
Re: British tanks in Soviet OB during the 1941 Battle of Mos
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but wasn't it at Leningrad where British supplied tanks outnumbered Soviet built ones?
but wasn't it at Leningrad where British supplied tanks outnumbered Soviet built ones?
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