Soviet Uzbek 258th Rifle Division in 1941
Soviet Uzbek 258th Rifle Division in 1941
In accordance with Charles Pettibone book Soviet order of battle, Soviet 258th Rifle Division was Uzbek National Division, I would like to ask if any National Divisions formed from five Central Asian SSR, Uzbek, Tadjhik, Kirghiz, Turkmen and Kazakh ?
Apart from 258th , I only know Central Asian SSR helped form 14 Cavalry Divisions in 1941-42, But I want to know more on Rifle Division.
I know 316 RD was mixture of Kazakh, Kirghiz and Russian colonist in this area. But I look for some fully national division like 258th,
And if 358th, 387th and 391st RD was national divisions in central Asia SSR ?
Apart from 258th , I only know Central Asian SSR helped form 14 Cavalry Divisions in 1941-42, But I want to know more on Rifle Division.
I know 316 RD was mixture of Kazakh, Kirghiz and Russian colonist in this area. But I look for some fully national division like 258th,
And if 358th, 387th and 391st RD was national divisions in central Asia SSR ?
Re: Soviet Uzbek 258th Rifle Division in 1941
I don't think it's correct. 258 Rifle Division was formed in Orel (Central Russia) in July 1941.Kelvin wrote:In accordance with Charles Pettibone book Soviet order of battle, Soviet 258th Rifle Division was Uzbek National Division
Yep, but after several months on the front after losses and replacements it was not. "National" status must include systematic recruitment from certain nationality in addition to other things. If there was no systematic recruitment then it was just an ordinary formation.I know 316 RD was mixture of Kazakh, Kirghiz and Russian colonist in this area.
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Hi, Art, Thank for your answer, right now I know the difference between national unit and ordinary division, Charles Pettibone book lists many national division units, I think are right like in Georgian, Azerbaijan and Armenian, but some units like rebuilt 214th Rifle Division was " Bashkir" national division, I have reservation on that. But I dno't find like Tatar or Chuvah national division. But Turkmen had two mountain Rifle divisions : 68 and 83rd. And Tadjihik seemed not possess any national Rifle division ( but she had many cavarly divisions like 18th and 39th )
And like 313rd Rifle Division, which had two HQ, one is Udmurt ASSR and another in Turkestan Central Asia, one was in Volga, one in Central Asia, I don't know which one is correct.
And like 313rd Rifle Division, which had two HQ, one is Udmurt ASSR and another in Turkestan Central Asia, one was in Volga, one in Central Asia, I don't know which one is correct.
Re: Soviet Uzbek 258th Rifle Division in 1941
To intoduce myself:
I am researcher for the National Monument Kamp Amersfoort in the Netherlands especially assigned to trace missing victims of the camp, which actually was a DuLag. However 650 persons died there or were executed. the Netherlands was occupied by the nazia from May 14 1941 to May 5 1945.
One of the most difficult projects is to find the identity of 100 soviet POWs who were killed in the camp. 23 of them died of starvation and mistreatment, after that the remaining 77 were executed on April 9 1942. Here are the backgrounds:
On Sep. 27 1941 a train arrives on the Amersfoort station with 100 Soviet POWs on board, all or most of them are ethnic Uzbeks, Kirgisians etc. After disembarkment the group is led on foot through the city, clearly a propaganda measure to show the Dutch population against what 'lower form of humans' the nazis were fighting. Barbarossa had begun only 3 months before.
After the tour through the city where Dutch civilians threw food and fruits to the POWs, which was strongly forbidden by the guards, the POWs ended up in the Camp. They were treated terribly, had to stay in the open for 72 hours and received little or no food or water. Then they were placed in one of the camp's barracks en had to do hard labour. The first one died on Jan 6 1942 and in the morning of April 9 already 23 had died. That morning the remaining 77 were shot and burried in a mass grave. Up until today nobody knows their identity and I can use any help solving this problem.
The know facts are:
Uzbeks or other Turkestan nationality. Probably captured in or near the town of Smolensk during the battle ending Aug. 6th 1941.
My guess is that they have been selected based uopn their race in a DuLag or in one of the StaLags in Germany.....
Anyone having suggestions where to search for possible info?
I am researcher for the National Monument Kamp Amersfoort in the Netherlands especially assigned to trace missing victims of the camp, which actually was a DuLag. However 650 persons died there or were executed. the Netherlands was occupied by the nazia from May 14 1941 to May 5 1945.
One of the most difficult projects is to find the identity of 100 soviet POWs who were killed in the camp. 23 of them died of starvation and mistreatment, after that the remaining 77 were executed on April 9 1942. Here are the backgrounds:
On Sep. 27 1941 a train arrives on the Amersfoort station with 100 Soviet POWs on board, all or most of them are ethnic Uzbeks, Kirgisians etc. After disembarkment the group is led on foot through the city, clearly a propaganda measure to show the Dutch population against what 'lower form of humans' the nazis were fighting. Barbarossa had begun only 3 months before.
After the tour through the city where Dutch civilians threw food and fruits to the POWs, which was strongly forbidden by the guards, the POWs ended up in the Camp. They were treated terribly, had to stay in the open for 72 hours and received little or no food or water. Then they were placed in one of the camp's barracks en had to do hard labour. The first one died on Jan 6 1942 and in the morning of April 9 already 23 had died. That morning the remaining 77 were shot and burried in a mass grave. Up until today nobody knows their identity and I can use any help solving this problem.
The know facts are:
Uzbeks or other Turkestan nationality. Probably captured in or near the town of Smolensk during the battle ending Aug. 6th 1941.
My guess is that they have been selected based uopn their race in a DuLag or in one of the StaLags in Germany.....
Anyone having suggestions where to search for possible info?
Re: Soviet Uzbek 258th Rifle Division in 1941
Do you have location of the camp, number, names or any other information?
Re: Soviet Uzbek 258th Rifle Division in 1941
Polizeiliches Durchgangslager Amersfoort - P.D.A.
Durchgangslager Amersfoort
Why were 101 Uzbeks killed in the Netherlands in 1942?
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Durchgangslager Amersfoort
Why were 101 Uzbeks killed in the Netherlands in 1942?
Концлагерь Амерсфорт865 Soviet prisoners are buried in nearby Rusthof cemetery. A number of Soviet victims came from the nearby Kamp Amersfoort, including 101 Central Asian prisoners. Most of them were Uzbeks or citizens of Samarkand.
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