Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Does anyone have any information about the Soviet 54th army in the Summer of 1942? I'm interested in the OOB, what their defenses were, and what the terrain they occupied looked like. I'm curious whether the planned and ultimately cancelled German Operation Moorbrand to cut off the Pogostye salient had any realistic chance of working had it happened when originally planned.
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
According to the BSSA:
On July 1st and August 1st 1942: 4th RC with 3rd GRD and 4 Rifle Brigades), 9 other RDs, and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 4 tank brigades.
September 1st: 8 RDs and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 1 tank brigade.
On July 1st and August 1st 1942: 4th RC with 3rd GRD and 4 Rifle Brigades), 9 other RDs, and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 4 tank brigades.
September 1st: 8 RDs and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 1 tank brigade.
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Thanks. Was 4th RC= 4th rifle corps? Was that 4th Guards Rifle Corps?Virginian wrote:According to the BSSA:
On July 1st and August 1st 1942: 4th RC with 3rd GRD and 4 Rifle Brigades), 9 other RDs, and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 4 tank brigades.
September 1st: 8 RDs and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 1 tank brigade.
What did the 54th army have inside the Pogostye Salient and outside it in reserve?
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
There are several detailed map of the area at https://pamyat-naroda.ru/warunit/42+%D0%90/
Map from 18-24 July 1942 shows 4th Guards Rifle Corps outside salient. Also 124, 122, 16 tank brigades were outside (or on the base of salient).
The same for 281RD.
Inside the salient from East to West: 115, 137, 285, 198, 11, 294, 80 RD, 6th Marine Brigade, 177 RD.
Map from 18-24 July 1942 shows 4th Guards Rifle Corps outside salient. Also 124, 122, 16 tank brigades were outside (or on the base of salient).
The same for 281RD.
Inside the salient from East to West: 115, 137, 285, 198, 11, 294, 80 RD, 6th Marine Brigade, 177 RD.
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Forests, marches, almost no roads.stg 44 wrote:what the terrain they occupied looked like.
It depends. What date in the summer do you need?I'm interested in the OOB
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
How did the Soviet forces supply all those units without roads?Art wrote:Forests, marches, almost no roads.stg 44 wrote:what the terrain they occupied looked like.
Early July, late June would work.Art wrote:It depends. What date in the summer do you need?I'm interested in the OOB
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
On 30.6.42:
294 Rifle Division - 5 286 men
281 RD- 3 850
80 RD - 4 985
11 RD - 3 837
311 RD - 6 170
198 RD - 4 280
177 RD - 5 821
115 RD - 4 371
285 RD - 4 571
3 GRD - 9 478
6 Marine Brigade - 2 099
32 Rifle Brigade - 2 576
33 RBr - 2 757
137 RBr - 2 328
140 RBr - 2 669
16 Tank Brigade - 683
98 TBr - 845
122 TBr - 1 347
124 TBr - 696
21 Artillery Regiment - 1 060
24 Artillery Regiment - 1 095
13 Artillery Regiment - 1 084
40 Artillery Regiment - 920
51 Rocket Battalion - 325
115 Rocket Battalion - 315
Total 73 448 men in combat units.
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=113939709
Totals in the Volkhov Front on the same day:
8 Army (2 rifle divisions, 1 rifle brigade) - 24 712 men
54 Army (10 rifle divisions, 5 rifle brigades, 4 tank brigades) - 73 448
4 Army (3 rifle divisions, 2 tank brigades) - 20 523
59 Army (8 rifle divisions, 2 rifle brigades, 2 tank brigades) - 48 232
52 Army (4 rifle divisions) - 24 388
2 Shock Army (remains) - 4 210
Front's reserve (2 rifle divisions, 3 cavalry divisions) - 32 708
total 228 221 men
294 Rifle Division - 5 286 men
281 RD- 3 850
80 RD - 4 985
11 RD - 3 837
311 RD - 6 170
198 RD - 4 280
177 RD - 5 821
115 RD - 4 371
285 RD - 4 571
3 GRD - 9 478
6 Marine Brigade - 2 099
32 Rifle Brigade - 2 576
33 RBr - 2 757
137 RBr - 2 328
140 RBr - 2 669
16 Tank Brigade - 683
98 TBr - 845
122 TBr - 1 347
124 TBr - 696
21 Artillery Regiment - 1 060
24 Artillery Regiment - 1 095
13 Artillery Regiment - 1 084
40 Artillery Regiment - 920
51 Rocket Battalion - 325
115 Rocket Battalion - 315
Total 73 448 men in combat units.
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=113939709
Totals in the Volkhov Front on the same day:
8 Army (2 rifle divisions, 1 rifle brigade) - 24 712 men
54 Army (10 rifle divisions, 5 rifle brigades, 4 tank brigades) - 73 448
4 Army (3 rifle divisions, 2 tank brigades) - 20 523
59 Army (8 rifle divisions, 2 rifle brigades, 2 tank brigades) - 48 232
52 Army (4 rifle divisions) - 24 388
2 Shock Army (remains) - 4 210
Front's reserve (2 rifle divisions, 3 cavalry divisions) - 32 708
total 228 221 men
I guess, as far as passable roads were available - by motor transport, further by horses using forest trails.How did the Soviet forces supply all those units without roads?
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Thanks!Art wrote:On 30.6.42:
294 Rifle Division - 5 286 men
281 RD- 3 850
80 RD - 4 985
11 RD - 3 837
311 RD - 6 170
198 RD - 4 280
177 RD - 5 821
115 RD - 4 371
285 RD - 4 571
3 GRD - 9 478
6 Marine Brigade - 2 099
32 Rifle Brigade - 2 576
33 RBr - 2 757
137 RBr - 2 328
140 RBr - 2 669
16 Tank Brigade - 683
98 TBr - 845
122 TBr - 1 347
124 TBr - 696
21 Artillery Regiment - 1 060
24 Artillery Regiment - 1 095
13 Artillery Regiment - 1 084
40 Artillery Regiment - 920
51 Rocket Battalion - 325
115 Rocket Battalion - 315
Total 73 448 men in combat units.
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=113939709
Totals in the Volkhov Front on the same day:
8 Army (2 rifle divisions, 1 rifle brigade) - 24 712 men
54 Army (10 rifle divisions, 5 rifle brigades, 4 tank brigades) - 73 448
4 Army (3 rifle divisions, 2 tank brigades) - 20 523
59 Army (8 rifle divisions, 2 rifle brigades, 2 tank brigades) - 48 232
52 Army (4 rifle divisions) - 24 388
2 Shock Army (remains) - 4 210
Front's reserve (2 rifle divisions, 3 cavalry divisions) - 32 708
total 228 221 men
Any similar info for 8th army in terms of specific units? Your help is much appreciated. On a German situation map from July 15th I'm seeing a reserve of a tank brigade, and infantry brigade and what might be an additional Rifle Division besides the 2 RD and 1 mountain brigade on the front line. Thanks again.
Re: Infomration about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
It was 4th Guards Rifle Corps, my error.stg 44 wrote:Thanks. Was 4th RC= 4th rifle corps? Was that 4th Guards Rifle Corps?Virginian wrote:According to the BSSA:
On July 1st and August 1st 1942: 4th RC with 3rd GRD and 4 Rifle Brigades), 9 other RDs, and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 4 tank brigades.
September 1st: 8 RDs and a naval infantry brigade. Also included 1 tank brigade.
What did the 54th army have inside the Pogostye Salient and outside it in reserve?
Re: Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
From the same doc:
8 Army on 30.06.44
128 Rifle Division - 8 031 men
286 Rifle Division - 8 918
1 Mountain Rifle Brigade - 4 339
71 Guards Artillery Regiment - 1 115
445 Howitzer Artillery Regiment - 1 049
884 Anti-tank Artillery Regiment - 445
50 Rocket Battalion - 275
107 Tank Battalion - 181
2 Armored Car Battalion - 125
124 Armored Car Battalion - 104
Armored Train No.60 - 130
Total 24 712 men
8 Army on 30.06.44
128 Rifle Division - 8 031 men
286 Rifle Division - 8 918
1 Mountain Rifle Brigade - 4 339
71 Guards Artillery Regiment - 1 115
445 Howitzer Artillery Regiment - 1 049
884 Anti-tank Artillery Regiment - 445
50 Rocket Battalion - 275
107 Tank Battalion - 181
2 Armored Car Battalion - 125
124 Armored Car Battalion - 104
Armored Train No.60 - 130
Total 24 712 men
Re: Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Thanks.Art wrote:From the same doc:
8 Army on 30.06.44
128 Rifle Division - 8 031 men
286 Rifle Division - 8 918
1 Mountain Rifle Brigade - 4 339
71 Guards Artillery Regiment - 1 115
445 Howitzer Artillery Regiment - 1 049
884 Anti-tank Artillery Regiment - 445
50 Rocket Battalion - 275
107 Tank Battalion - 181
2 Armored Car Battalion - 125
124 Armored Car Battalion - 104
Armored Train No.60 - 130
Total 24 712 men
I don't read Russian, so I can't read the doc.
Re: Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Yes, I just indicate the source for info.
Re: Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
Hey Art do you know what the strength was for the Kalinin Front in 1942? Also how were they able to supply such a force over a single rail line in the Toropets salient? Thanks.Art wrote:Yes, I just indicate the source for info.
Re: Information about the Soviet 54th army in Summer 1942
From Krivosheev the average number of personnel in the Kalinin Front throughout 1942 was about 600 000. I don't remember reading anything on their supplies or rail operations.