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uniform ID help

Postby spottedcow on 15 Nov 2012 07:32

Greetings All,

I know nothing about uniforms. Can someone please tell me what information concerning this uniform, including ribbons, can be gleaned from the photo?

Thanks,
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Re: uniform ID help

Postby Igor Karpov on 15 Nov 2012 07:40

It's an Orpo uniform

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Re: uniform ID help

Postby WTW26 on 15 Nov 2012 10:57

The rank is Wachtmeister or Oberwachtmeister, judging by the apparent absence of pips on the shoulder boards. The ribbon in the middle of the bar is for the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer with swords.
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Re: uniform ID help

Postby John G. on 15 Nov 2012 12:57

Just in case Patrick doesn't know what Orpo means....(generalizing).....is Order police....the rank is low level NCO equivalant. The ribbons are really impossible to tell (too fuzzy, too dark...) ecept for the 1914-18 Honor Cross w/swords....(theres a slim possibility the first two ribbons are Austrian and the last ribbon an Austrian Anschluss ribbon...but just barely visible...not sure)...
Just wanted to add my 10 cents worth...
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Re: uniform ID help

Postby spottedcow on 15 Nov 2012 16:30

Thanks for the responses. I thought it a bit odd the guy was wearing a shirt and tie with the uniform. I've never noticed that before. Here's a detail of the ribbons - hope it helps with id-ing the different awards.
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Re: uniform ID help

Postby John G. on 15 Nov 2012 19:57

I'd say the 1st & 2nd ARE Austrian....(Bravery Medal & Karl Truppen Cross), Honor Cross 1914/18 w/swords, possibly a Social Welfare medal, and probably an Anschluss medal....but still "fuzzy" so mot 100% sure!
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Re: uniform ID help

Postby spottedcow on 16 Nov 2012 05:30

Thanks again. Could someone give me the German names of the ribbons as proposed by John?

I am not sure who is shown in the photograph but I have two possibilities. One individual was born in 1882, the other in 1906. Before learning about the ribbons, I had ruled out the first guy as he would have had to have been about 60 years old when the photo was taken. He doesn't look that old to me. However, the younger guy is too young to have a ribbon from the first world war. I guess this is no longer a uniform question but does anyone think the guy in the photo is 60 years old?

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Re: uniform ID help

Postby John G. on 16 Nov 2012 13:16

"Österreich-Ungarn Tapferkeitsmedaille" , "Österreich-Ungarn Karl-Truppenkreuz" , "Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914-18 fur Frontkämpfer" , "Deutsche Volkspflege/Rotes Kreuz (?)" , and "Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938"....assuming I'm correct.
You can't see the horizontal "bars" on the Austrian ribbons, but I believe that's what they are...and there are other possibilities...but that what I'm seeing....
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PS- I'd say this guy could easily be 60 or over....in your photo.
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Re: uniform ID help

Postby Ian Hulley on 16 Nov 2012 21:15

John G. wrote: PS- I'd say this guy could easily be 60 or over....in your photo.


I'd say he was late 40's (like me :P ) Old enough to fight and die for his country later in the war as the barrel was scraped.

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