Kriegsmarine British Battle-Dress
Kriegsmarine British Battle-Dress
Hello,
I am looking for information and especially photos (also Illustrations) for the Battledresses worn by Kriegsmarine personel (mainly U-Boat crews).
Here are my questions:
-Are there figures how many British Battledresses were used?
-Were they mainly captured at Dünkirchen or North Africa?
-Wich types of British Battledresses were used?
-Were they standardized in German use, in Regards of Insignia and Buttons?
-In wich period of the war were they a) captured b) issued c) used?
-Did the Germans have a similar Jacket on their own? Similar Pattern or something like this? Or did they use it only because
they got a number of them?
-What other Uniform pieces would be worn with it (Trousers, Headgear)?
-Differed the captured Battledresses in colour, pattern etc. from each other? (basically same as question 3)
-Were they German stamped?
Photos and Images would be great.
Best Regards
I am looking for information and especially photos (also Illustrations) for the Battledresses worn by Kriegsmarine personel (mainly U-Boat crews).
Here are my questions:
-Are there figures how many British Battledresses were used?
-Were they mainly captured at Dünkirchen or North Africa?
-Wich types of British Battledresses were used?
-Were they standardized in German use, in Regards of Insignia and Buttons?
-In wich period of the war were they a) captured b) issued c) used?
-Did the Germans have a similar Jacket on their own? Similar Pattern or something like this? Or did they use it only because
they got a number of them?
-What other Uniform pieces would be worn with it (Trousers, Headgear)?
-Differed the captured Battledresses in colour, pattern etc. from each other? (basically same as question 3)
-Were they German stamped?
Photos and Images would be great.
Best Regards
- Dare Furor
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KM using Brit Battledress
Doggowitz,
As I dig through my archives I will post some "quick" answers. As a disclaimer, when I started collecting these images, I did not document the sites from which they were taken, albeit, I am not using them for commercial gain. That noted, here are the questions I can answer off-the-cuff:
Good hunting!
Dare Furor
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As I dig through my archives I will post some "quick" answers. As a disclaimer, when I started collecting these images, I did not document the sites from which they were taken, albeit, I am not using them for commercial gain. That noted, here are the questions I can answer off-the-cuff:
***They were mainly (most famously) captured at Dünkirchen.Doggowitz wrote:Hello,
I am looking for information and especially photos (also Illustrations) for the Battledresses worn by Kriegsmarine personel (mainly U-Boat crews).
Here are my questions:
-Are there figures how many British Battledresses were used?
-Were they mainly captured at Dünkirchen or North Africa?
***Because this (Dunkirk) was in 1940, the most common Battledress captured was the P-37. There may have been some P-40s, since I would expect the P-40 was actually designed in 1939, but most of the stock captured was the old P-37 style.-Wich types of British Battledresses were used?
***Standardised?...In the Kriegsmarine?... (You so funny!) I have noticed that many KM personnel put KM buttons on them, but the national eagle was worn as often as not, and when it was worn it was sewn on as often as pinned. Shoulderboards were slip-on as-well-as sewn in, but this meant removing the straps already on the BD, and that was extra work. I have one image somewhere of the KM shoulderboards attached on top of the BD straps. It was also common not to alter the BD at all. After all, it was usually worn as an overall/coverall to protect one's "good" clothing thus, it was also worn in a size or two larger than normal (if you are a size 48, you would want a size 52 to wear over your size 48 rig).-Were they standardized in German use, in Regards of Insignia and Buttons?
***a) 1940; b) I do not know; c) throughout the war-In wich period of the war were they a) captured b) issued c) used?
***Yes, they did have a similar uniform. It was the most common uniform worn by U-Boat personnel (based on photographic evidence). It was a grey-green cotton drill (I think the P-37 uniforms captured at Dunkirk were both wool and cotton versions, but I cannot remember where/why I got this impression). The KM version came in fieldgrey and tropical brown as well. Buttons could be black plastic four-holed buttons or brass fouled anchor buttons (painted or brass). Many Petty Officers and CPOs wore collar-point chevrons (braid or brass) to indicate their rank. The KM jacket had metal rings to secure the friction belt, whereas the P-37 fastened with a buckle. Brit Battledress had a distinct band cuff that buttoned, while the KM jacket used slit-cuffs. Brit pocketflaps were scalloped or pointed whereas KM pocket flaps were usually straight.-Did the Germans have a similar Jacket on their own? Similar Pattern or something like this? Or did they use it only because
they got a number of them?
***The British trousers differed from the KM trousers in that the former had that large map/patch pocket on the front of the left thigh. This can be confusing when studying Black & White photographs because the Kriegsmarine also wore the khaki-brown Luftwaffe-pattern tropical uniform (rather than the Heer olive) that had the large left thigh pocket like the British.-What other Uniform pieces would be worn with it (Trousers, Headgear)?
***Yes-Differed the captured Battledresses in colour, pattern etc. from each other? (basically same as question 3)
*** I do not know. I have to find out now.-Were they German stamped?
I will get back to the Forum when I get the images.Photos and Images would be great.
Best Regards
Good hunting!
Dare Furor
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short tunic
My friend Edgar wearing the above tunic on his surrender
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It may be the P-40 (circa 1942?). It has plain pockets. The P-37 had pleated pockets. Edgar's uniform appears to be the KM-issue uniform since it has no shoulder straps.Doggowitz wrote:Great info and pics!
Is this tunic a P-40? Thanks, keep 'em coming!
Still working on those images...
Dare Furor
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- Note: Shoulder strap sewn into jacket
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- Note the unusual Tresse
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More P-37 images, sources unknown. May be U-boat.net
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- Note the map pockets on the left thighs: most likely P-37s since this is Kretchmer's Boat
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- Silent Otto and his Junge
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But wait...there's more!
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- Germans with British prisoners. The caption said the Germans were wearing British uniforms. The another "sure sign" of P-37s is the elusive 1st Aid kit pocket
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- Breast eagle pin, Knight's Cross (1 out of 10 U-Boat commanders earned these), close combat clasp, Iron Cross 1st Class, U-Boat badge, NO EK2 ribbon
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NOW how much would you pay? Well hold onto your seat...
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- Sharp, practical battle uniform: P-37 (no breast eagle or badges), leather pants
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- Note the distinct wide-band cuffs. No breast eagle or awards (U-Boat crews wear an awful lot of chequered shirts too!)
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That's a great value...
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- This may be the KM jacket: slip-on shoulder boards, pocket flaps may be sloping in that "V" line (cannot tell from this image). No breast eagle or badges
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- Again the strange Tresse (and no breast eagle)
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- The Junge has straight pocket flaps, whereas Topp's are scalloped
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Call within the next fifteen minutes, and we'll throw in absolutely free...
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- No shoulder straps or breast eagle on the IWO
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- Note how high above the pocket flap the breast eagle was sewn
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- The famous postage stamp shot of the P-37 cuff with Tunic-sized brass buttons
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Re: Kriegsmarine British Battle-Dress
¿which rank has the one who carries the second-class iron cross hanging?
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Re: Kriegsmarine British Battle-Dress
Rank is Obermaat, a Chief Petty Officer (¿Sargento?)
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