Help identifying uniform

[lazybather]

Afternoon gentlemen.

Is anyone able to identify the uniform worn in this image?
I'm certain that the picture was taken pre-1939.

There is a cuff band on the lower left arm and national eagle on the cap.

Stuart

[Ian Hulley]

Not Allgemeine-SS, SS-VT or SS-TV. The one organisation that springs to mind is Zoll ... Customs ? They didn't have a breast eagle ... their tunic national insignia being on the cufftitle.

Ian.

[lazybather]

Thank you Ian.

I agree Ian, not A-SS, SS-VT/SS-TV, and I've discounted anything to do with the Hanns Kerrl Lager.

The eagle is a small silver metal badge and the small wings point upwards. The left armband is dark with white lettering.

Stuart

[WTW26]

Could be Postschutz.

[lazybather]

Hello WTW26,

I hadn't considered the Postschutz, that'd explain the armband too!

Many thanks, a great help.

Stuart.

[Halle]

The uniform doesn't look particularly German - neither the cap nor the rather large collar ..... are you sure it's a German uniform ?

[lazybather]

Good morning Halle,

Absolutely 100% certain this fellows German, the image belongs to a son of a former members of the Berlin Allgemeine-SS who went on to join the Waffen-SS and I'm certain the photograph was taken in Berlin between 1936-39.

There does appear to be a lighter cord surrounding the collar patch, which 'nudges' me towards the idea he's an SS-Postchutz.

Stuart.

[WTW26]

Actually, I'm not so sure now that he is PS. The collar tabs, while similar, don't quite fit the PS pattern, there appears to be no sleeve eagle, and I'm not aware of any PS cuff titles other than "SS-Postschutz" which wasn't introduced until 1942.

[lazybather]

Guys its had me head scratching for a while too...

Its not as though he's correct for an Wehrmacht member of the Postschutz.
There's no chest eagle or arm shield.

The only thing I'm certain of, is that the image was taken pre-war.

Cheers guys.

Stuart.

[Georges JEROME]

Could be a member of "Osttruppen".
In a book dedicated to these troops I found 2 pics with similar collar patch and field cap.

[WTW26]

The Osttruppen also wore shoulder boards and breast eagles. Besides, the OP says he is certain the picture is pre-war.

[John G.]

The cap eagle appears to be a "Political M-29 style" eagle.... the pockets appear to have extreme pointed pocket flaps, similiar to pre-Anschluss Austrian Army tunics or Latvian/Estonian Army tunics (Baltic States).... the buckle appear "German style" (but common to Austria & Baltic states, too)... the possible sleeveband? Hidden buttons on front (LW Fleiger style)? Unique collar tabs.... Breast badge doesn't look exactly like a DRL Sports badge...(might be)...

Mystery tunic/organization to me.... I'd lean toward Baltic or Austrian Neo-nazi (or Czech/Slovak?)... something on those lines...
Just my 10 cents worth...
John G.

[John G.]

P.S. I would add "Osttruppen" or Ostvolk (Schuma, local Militia's, Police, etc., etc.) wore several generations of insignia, many on a local level, many unofficial.... and often wore mixed surplus uniforms of nearly all types locally available....especially in the early part of the Russian Campaign, before efforts were made to standardize uniforms as much as possible...(never totally achieved).
JAG

[adlerman]

This is a German member of one of the organisations of the NSDAP attending a course at one of the Party Sports Schools in the mid thirties. The uniforms were issued for the course and returned on completion. One can just make out a stripe or bar on the right collar-patch which indicated some sort of grade. The colour of the uniform was rather like that of the later SA Wehrmannschaften uniform. If you need more information can dig out some pics.
Adlerman

[Dwight Pruitt]

Not Allgemeine-SS, SS-VT or SS-TV. The one organisation that springs to mind is Zoll ... Customs ? They didn't have a breast eagle ... their tunic national insignia being on the cufftitle.

Ian.

Ian, I don't believe it's Landzoll. They wore green/silver police style shoulder straps with RFV (Reichfinanzverwaltungsamt) cyphers. Their collar tabs were narrower too. I don't believe it to be Postschutz either....different collar tabs.