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Latvia & the Waffen SS

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Post by stcamp » 30 May 2003, 21:08

Hello,

Great pictures being posted in documents and paper. Anyways, I just purchased this. I hope it's real but I never heard of these being faked. Then again I don't know a lot...
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Post by CHRISCHA » 03 Jun 2003, 21:48

As with most SS regalia, and especially something as easy as cloth, you can rest assured it will have been faked.


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Post by stcamp » 03 Jun 2003, 21:55

CHRISCHA wrote:As with most SS regalia, and especially something as easy as cloth, you can rest assured it will have been faked.
Sigh, I thought this was pretty off the wall, not to common. Oh well.

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Post by CHRISCHA » 04 Jun 2003, 10:56

stcamp, just to make clear, I was saying these most probably have been faked, not that yours are fake.

Perhaps if you post the reverse we could give some further comment. :)

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Post by Greg Domian » 11 Jun 2003, 06:25

HI,
As far as I know..there was never an SS pattern shield constructed like this..my opinion it is a fake. Originals do not have the boarders yours does and the center white stripe is wider.

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Post by stcamp » 11 Jun 2003, 14:47

Greg Domian wrote:HI,
As far as I know..there was never an SS pattern shield constructed like this..my opinion it is a fake. Originals do not have the boarders yours does and the center white stripe is wider.

Greg
Thanks for the feedback. I have been amazed by the depth of knowledge here.

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Post by Tapani K. » 11 Jun 2003, 19:09

David Littlejohn's Foreign Legions of The Third Reich Vol.4 shows a shield like this with the black backing cloth. It is described as
the final official version which is in style of other S.S. "foreign volunteer" arm shields in this period.
This does not, of course, prove that the shield in your picture, stcamp, is real, but I am not sure that Greg is quite right in what he writes.


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Post by CHRISCHA » 11 Jun 2003, 19:23

To confirm, in Cloth Insignia of the SS by LTC J R Angolia, p356, the shield shown is as the example above with the line, ''Final pattern of the Latvian sleeve shield''.

So, examples such as this did exist, but I don't know if this example is genuine.

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Post by Keith Loughmiller » 11 Jun 2003, 22:45

Post a picture of the back side. Looks good to me. There are 10 different Latvian Legion(Waffen SS ) sleeve shields, that I know of. Many are not in Angolia's SS cloth book.

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Post by Keith Loughmiller » 11 Jun 2003, 22:47

Greg Domian wrote:HI,
As far as I know..there was never an SS pattern shield constructed like this..my opinion it is a fake. Originals do not have the boarders yours does and the center white stripe is wider.

Greg
This is NOT true

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Post by Greg Domian » 12 Jun 2003, 16:26

I think you are all misunderstanding me...yes..the final pattern SS shield has black boarders..that is not what I am talking about..it is the edging around the white diagonal stripe, and the edging around the read field that I say is wrong. I have never seen an original shield done in this way...my opinion..unless I see a photograph or other documentation...this is a bad shield..it is a copy of the final pattern..The references you point to show the correct final patteren..not this one. Here is a real shield...



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Post by CHRISCHA » 12 Jun 2003, 19:47

I misunderstood. I thought you were refering to the black border.

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Post by Keith Loughmiller » 12 Jun 2003, 19:48

The one pictured above is a Dachau style shield. There are several types that were made in Latvia.

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Post by Tapani K. » 13 Jun 2003, 07:59

Greg Domian wrote:I think you are all misunderstanding me...

Greg

Yes, I definitely misunderstood you. Sorry.


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Post by stcamp » 14 Jul 2003, 14:41

Hi,

Here is the back. Interesting that Keith thought it was a Dachau shield? Why? I didn't know that there was one... I bought this from Germany from a guy who seems to specialize in the Freikorp.

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