Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

[Tosun Saral]

Officers of 15 cm Howitzer Battery No. 36 that come to Gallipoli at the middle of Nov.1915 and stationed in Soğanlıdere near Seddülbahir. with turkish and german comrades. source: mesut Uyar collection

[Chris Dale]

Thanks for that great picture Tosun!

Hope you had a good birthday...

Cheers
Chris

[Tosun Saral]

Thanks dear Chris. As usual I am having my sommer days at Alanya on the Med shore. Life is easy and beautiful.

[joerookery]

Old thread new picture – thank you Chris – any comments?


ps3120 by joerookery, on Flickr

[gyuresz]

Thank you for sharing this photograph with us, which is indeed very interesting of several reasons.

First, this is only the second time I see this Austrian tropical uniform on a period photograph. The other photo is the one that was posted by Chris in this thread on 21st June 2007. What is interesting that both pictures were taken in a studio. I have not yet seen an Austrian soldier wearing this kind of uniform on photographs taken in the field in Turkey. The most striking difference is the jacket with the six visible buttons: all field photographs from Turkey that I know show soldiers wearing the familiar Austrian jacket with the hidden buttons. It makes me wonder whether this uniform was used in the field at all, and if yes, by which units.

Second, the back side of the picture shows the date of 18th June 1916. If this date is correct, then we shall reconsider the previous assumptions about the other undated picture posted by Chris that was supposedly taken in 1918, showing a soldier in the uniform of the Orientkorps. We can not speak of Orientkorps before early 1918, so if the uniform already existed in 1916, it could not be issued uniquely for them.

György

[Chris Dale]

Good points György, I will look into my sources...

Cheers
Chris

[Chris Dale]

Hello again,
I think this is the Karlbluse, a tunic referred to in Osprey's Austro-Hungarian Forces in WW1 (2) P14. It was a trail tunic made in 1916 in khaki with visible buttons. 4,000 are estimated to have been made but it was not taken up by the KuK army in general. In Volume 1 of the same series on P47, Jung says that one picture of a tropical uniform H4 was clearly made in early 1916 as it "still has concealed buttonholes" implying that the later ones were not concealed.

I've not seen any photos of it in the field. Perhaps not many of them went out as most of the Orientkorps was never deployed.

You're right though we still need more source material on this.

Cheers
Chris

[Tosun Saral]

My new book "Çanakkale, Sina, Filistin Cephelerinde Avusturya Macaristan Ordusu Topçu Bataryaları" (Artillery Units of Ausro-Hungarian army at Gallipoli, Sina and Palestine)

My article published on Çanakkale 1915 Magazine in March 2012 about KuK artillery batteries at Gallipoli
http://www.turkmacar.org.tr/index.php/g ... ataryalari

[gyuresz]

Hello Chris,

Thank you for looking it up! I think you are right, it must be the Karlbluse from 1916, maybe even a special design made for the tropical uniform (other specimens of the Karlbluse that I found with googling have more traditional cut, save the visible buttons). Let us hope that with time more dated photos will turn up.

György

Hello again,
I think this is the Karlbluse, a tunic referred to in Osprey's Austro-Hungarian Forces in WW1 (2) P14. It was a trail tunic made in 1916 in khaki with visible buttons. 4,000 are estimated to have been made but it was not taken up by the KuK army in general. In Volume 1 of the same series on P47, Jung says that one picture of a tropical uniform H4 was clearly made in early 1916 as it "still has concealed buttonholes" implying that the later ones were not concealed.

I've not seen any photos of it in the field. Perhaps not many of them went out as most of the Orientkorps was never deployed.

You're right though we still need more source material on this.

Cheers
Chris

[Tosun Saral]

War Medal (Gallipoli Star) awarded to personal of Kuk army units in percentage
source: DISSERTATION von Mag.phil. Carmen Diana ALBU-LISSON, Universiaet Wien, Wien 2010
"Die in das Österreichische Bundesheer der Ersten Republik übernommenen k.u.k. Offiziere"

[Chris Dale]

Thanks for that my friend! I love a good graph!

Cheers
Chris

[Tosun Saral]

KuK pilot Hess Richard with Gallipoli Star

[Tosun Saral]

Hungarian pilot with Gallipoli Star. Both captains s are members of balloon company. A sign of balloon ist easly seen on the collars.